Are Electric Cars Dead?

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DOUGSCORE CHART:

CHAPTERS:
00:00 THIS...
00:26 CARS & BIDS!!!
01:00 The Media Reports
01:50 Are Electric Cars Dead?
02:04 A Couple of Slow Quarters
03:34 EVs Came On Fast
04:41 EVs Could Die
05:08 EV Drawback #1: Range
06:17 EV Drawback #2: Resale Value
06:51 EV Drawback #3: Charging Infrastructure
08:00 Tangent: Where the Hell are Plug-In Hybrids?
08:58 Plug-In Hybrids Eliminate the 2 Biggest Problems
09:46 Government Incentives for Automakers
11:21 Final Thoughts

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[macf]

Not only EVs are dead, all cars are dying, because we cant afford them anymore…

[daveb]

After having an EV for over 6 years now, I find your EV concerns one of the most honest nonbiased reviews I have ever seen. Thanks for that.

[HeatWalk]

If the US didn't put trade tarrifs on Chinese EVs, many Americans are willing to accept the negatives of driving EVs because they can buy a brand new BYD Seagull that has 250 mile range with a very affordable cost of only $11, 000.

[socosurf]

I still don't know how California is going to handle this 'electric car sales only' situation when they can't even handle their own power infastructure.

[rubenalvarez]

We don't need $180K electric Porsches. We need $30-40k commuters. We are not millionaires. (LOL my $150K Cayenne is so practical)

[IllTaco]

I feel like Toyota made a bad EV to troll the industry

[FinancialStorm]

For those with no attention span. Summary of the video is 2:36

[marcarsenault]

There's a substantial portion of the population that can't afford to spend more than $10k on a car. There's a ton of used car options that are perfectly fine for that budget, but none of those are electric. Older electric vehicles will have expensive battery issues, and those people who could then afford to buy them won't be able to fix them.

[safbeafbe]

A survey was recently released here in the UK revealing that 54% of UK households are incapable of home charging. Most of us live in terraced or apartment housing, and even then a driveway isn't guaranteed. Immediately that puts half of the UK population out of the EV market without serious compromise. Obviously it's far different country to country, but in terms of the UK, a severe lack of thought was put into the EV market here.

[toofastradar]

I had a PHEV and while I liked it I wanted a full EV after a few years. The worst part is the additional complexity so out of warranty you essentially have the worst of both worlds in regards to repairs. If you're only keeping a PHEV while it's under warranty and trading it every few years then you don't have anything to worry about and it's not a bad option. If I wanted to keep one for 150k miles I would be very weary of the repair costs especially after 100k miles. 

1-1/2 years and 40k miles into a full EV I'm happy to never have to do oil changes or other "normal" maintenance. I drive 75 miles round trip every day, plug it in every evening, rinse and repeat. I don't think I could ever go back when it's all one less thing I have to do. 

As one of my friends said years ago and made me rethink my gas-only car position: "Before I tell you what car I bought I just want to say one thing. I don't give a S#!T about the environment - I'm just lazy and hate stopping for gas."

[willbryanmedina]

So here is my story; I drive 80 miles a day to work and I had a grand Cherokee V6 and was spending 75$ minimum a week (not counting weekends). I came across a kia ev6 at 20k $. My job is a EV focused bodyshop and the owner said “if you ever get an ev, you can charge it here for free whenever you want”. So I traded my cherokee, got my moneys worth and ended up with a “new” car with under 40k miles, 100k mile certified warranty, no real maintenance cost and save 300$ minimum a month in just gas. My case is very situational but every star lined up to make sense to buy an ev, aside from the fact that I love the look and feel of it. Still have my r33 skyline as a back up for when I wanna toy around.

[nsaad]

If something can't be expected to run solid at least 10-15 years, it doesn't really belong on the market. What do they think, we're stupid?

*sees that Jeep is still in business*

Okay, nevermind. We are stupid. Carry on.

[MrStars]

I have an EV, I like it, but I am the 1st one to confirm Doug is right.... EVs are inconvenient for apartment dwellers, Range issues for people who do Long trips, winter range penalty and people who sell cars every couple years. Sonny EV is right for me, but not for everyone

[simonator]

Doug the type of guy to have 5 copies of the same day's Wall Street Journal on his desk.

[FiveTwoSevenTHR]

I've noticed when some people have posted their EV road trips that a lot of the time it's less economical to use the supercharging network than it would be for my to drive my 1.4T VW Jetta manual that gets about 45mpg on the highway. I don't think it's worth ever getting an electric car unless you can charge at home.

[rLgxTbQ]

I think plug-in hybrids haven't taken off because:
1. Automakers generally compromise the storage space by bolting a battery onto an ICE vehicle.
2. More expensive than hybrid and you don't really get a benefit unless you have a house to charge it at
3. People still falling for the "worst of both worlds", really maintenance falls somewhere in between BEV and hybrid
4. Usually pretty slow in electric-only mode due to limitations on how much energy a small battery can discharge
5. anti-EV people see them as EVs, and pro-EV people see them as ICEVs
6. People thinking worst-case and judging 20-40 miles to not be enough to be worth it
Despite all these personally I think they're the best choice for anyone with a house that doesn't regularly drive long-distance and isn't ready for BEV.

[somebody]

Doug is kind of guy that tosses salad like this 8:16

[jamespattison]

A couple hours per charge? I go from 10-80% in 20 minutes.

[Oishiilicious]

Plug-in hybrids are such a good idea. I know a guy who has a plug-in with 60km range and a 20km commute. He basically never has to buy gas in day-to-day life, but he does have the backup of the ICE engine when needed for longer trips.

[outdawrzmuhn]

10:30 I’m not sure forcing Toyota to comply to a rule is the best described as “incentivizing”. Why not give actual incentives to automakers instead of forced compliance?