Should Batman Kill?

Recently Zack Snyder went on the Joe Rogan Podcast Experience and get into the weeds concerning his version of Batman including all the killing. Does Batman having his no kill rule make him a god? Highly recommend five stars. Thanks for watching










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[TrappyJenkins]

A smarter comic fan than me pointed out, evil superman and evil batman are boring. Power always corrupts people. What makes batman and superman interesting is the fact that they do have power AND they have an impeccable moral code. Its much more interesting to watch someone struggle with doing whats right rather than solving all their problems with the easiest answer.

[TrumanTheGrayMerchant]

What bothers me about statements like this is that the person making it always acts like they're a subversive visionary for saying it, when they are making an extremely obvious point that people have been making for years. Every edgy middle schooler thinks Batman should kill. Every nihilist thinks that Superman would actually be evil or Captain America would actually be racist. Maybe. But the stories are interesting because the characters are going *against* what is obvious. If someone's fighting armed criminals, it's way easier to be armed themself, but it's more interesting if they have to work around the disadvantage they're put in. Superman's humanity is what makes him compelling. Captain America's values and how they affect his life and character are why he continues to be relevant, in the US and Beyond. I'm so tired of the same obvious character twists repeating over and over, presented as fresh each time. Sometimes they work, but you have to have a good story in addition to the subversion. "What if Batman but gun" is not enough. The shock value's gone.

[DylanofScreenTime]

Y'know, Daredevil made that exact scenario Snyder was talking about:
Putting your Hero in a no-win situation where someone has to die.
Frank literally chained up Daredevil to a ledge on a building, ducktaped a gun to his hand, grabbed a murderer from the Irish mafia and said "Shoot him, or I will." and y'know what Daredevil did?
He shot the chains that was holding him, knocked out Punisher, grabbed him, threw them in an elevator and as he was running down the stairs, fought like twelve different people who were ALSO trying to kill him, ALL WHILE he was injured, tired and the gun was still strapped to his hand and he never pulled the trigger (aside from the aforementioned breaking chains).
That is what a Hero does, they find another way out of their situation, where they don't have to kill someone.

[betterine]

I find hilarious the idea that netflix told Snyder that Rebel Moon had more viewership than Barbie just to keep him happy, lmao.

[andriygriffin]

Problem I have with Zack always being "Well I want to do it cause you told me not to." That's not some daring auteur, that's an English student basing all essay writings on what his teacher told him wouldn't work

[IcarusTyler]

I'm pretty sure netflix counts it as a "View" when 10 seconds of a preview of it plays while you are in the main menu, or immediately once a movie auto-starts after a previous one ended

[KarazolaX]

There's a very easy way to justify why Batman doesn't flatline people. He's a vigilante. It was an uphill battle for the police to accept him as a force of good. Batman's cooperative relationship with Gotham PD is only really possible, because he does not commit life deletion on criminals, even if they deserve it. Even if Batman is justified in the situation? Law enforcement would still be unable to ignore it, if he did. He'd have to be put on trial for it, at the very least, because the fact that he's a vigilante means that this can't be simply dismissed as clear self defense. If he did that, the police would be unable to look past his vigilante nature and work with him. Every time he showed up to talk to Gordon, there would be a reporter asking him why they're not charging him and ignoring him. It would give the appearance that Batman is above the law, and many people would start to see it as corrupt and hypocritical.

The other big reason: Batman is a symbol against crime, and a lot of people look up to him. If he ended up flatlining a villain, even if they were the Joker, or Bane, or whoever, the public at large would see it as a huge deal. People would start to think that doing it is more acceptable. Other vigilantes Batman has inspired might imitate it, and start committing ex(trajudicial)cutions. It would have a far-reaching impact on the people who Batman inspires, and likely lead to the act itself as something that's seen as more publicly acceptable.

I don't really have a problem with Snyder's take, or takes where he DOES do it. I just get annoyed when people say there's no good reason for him to avoid doing it. There's a very good reason.

Also, after what Joe Chill did to his parents? Psychologically, he just never ever wants to become a person like that. Batman believes that he doesn't have the right to make that decision, and act as the arbiter of someone's life. The injustice of seeing it happen to his parents is what inspired him to become Batman in the first place.

[chrisa.]

He didn't even explore the "what if" of Batman killing in his movies. He just does it for shock value, and then has the big heroic scene at the end of JL where they all stand triumphantly as if one of them in the group isn't a billionaire making weapons in his basement to slaughter dollar store thugs.

[blackdwarfstar]

To me the question has never been "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker?" It's been "Why hasn't Gotham City executed the Joker?"

[Chchoh]

I really feel like Snyder only understood the surface level meaning of return of the dark knight. That run was never the status quo.

[KaneMeter]

This video should've been only 10 seconds in which James goes "No, he should not" and Maso saying "the end".

[traxathon]

The fact that he brings up the Kobyashi Maru from Star Trek as an interesting no-win-scenario he wants to put Batman through, but completely misses that Kirk beat the no-win-scenario and refuses to acknowledge it could ever really happen, is wild to me. Did he even watch the movie?

[frownline]

Minimum two people are always watching anything on Netflix is a peek into what Netflix tells its own board of directors lol

[kassandra_sae]

Snyder, there's a difference with like "oh I wanna put batman in a situation where he has to take a life" and "im just gonna run around with an AK and run people over with my fuckoff giant car on the daily"

[jasoncarter]

It's just stupid when they make the good-guy kill randos and fodder, but then let the main villain live at the end.

He can kill 37 guys who are barely a threat, but then takes the moral high ground when he faces the Joker.

[dawngrey]

Putting Batman in a scenario where he has to kill and then seeing how he responds would be interesting. That's what happens in Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow. But that's not what BvS is doing. Batman doesn't have to kill. He kills because he doesn't give a shit, and he doesn't respond to it because he doesn't give a shit.

[doctordoom]

No, he shouldn’t. If you want The Punisher, go read The Punisher. I don’t mind if Batman does it on rare occasion like basically killing Talia in Dark Knight Rises because well, otherwise all of Gotham dies (including her anyway, so not like Batman would be changing her fate) but that’s it. Hell, it’s why him and Superman actually can get along. Despite their differences, they’re two people who both want to save as many lives as possible no matter who they are.

[kapitankapital]

Zack Snyder's Spiderman: "with great power comes NO responsibility!!!"

[Tom-xtjn]

I have no problem with the whole “Batman doesn’t kill people let’s play with that rule” exploring different scenarios and what he’d do in them

But have it be consequential explore it’s effects on the world and himself - don’t just go “well he kills people and he’s fine and it’s all okay”

[nonome]

I was under the impression that BvS was fallen Batman who stopped giving a shit because he lost everything, but by the end hes ready to try and trust again and not kill. But I'm an idiot and Zack just thinks he should kill.