Showing Coptic 'Orthodox' Church Teaches ONE ESSENCE/OUSIA From One Of Its Own Liturgy

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It is high time we Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters got together from all over the world to expose the numerous heresies amongst those who consider themselves Christians i.e. protestants as well as Roman "catholics" aka papists, oriental "Orthodox" and others. Some of the protestants and protestant preachers we need to tackle include james white from alpha and omega ministries , todd friel from wretched radio , john piper , rc sproul , john macarthur , john ankerberg , steven anderson , john hagee , reuben israel , kent hovind , les feldick , robert braker , david j. stewart from jesus-is-savior dotcom , ray comfort , dan corner , matt slick from carm , jeff durbin from apologia church, rick warren , larry wessels , mark driscoll , etc. From the roman "catholic" side there is tim staples, dimond brothers from vaticancatholic dotcom , jimmy akin , robert sungenis , etc

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[FreshWholeMilk]

Your videos on the Oriental ‘orthodox’ are very valuable brother. It seems to me like ecumenism in regards to the oriental communion is one of the most pernicious problems within the Church today

[Andyoussef]

Maybe learn Greek and deal with the Greek text? Maybe check how Cyril of Alexandria understands and explains the prefix μια? Maybe also learn English and know that Monothelite means one will whereas what is here is one energy "amal wahed" (which is prefixed by mia in Greek) meaning composite energy of divine energy and human energy which is confessed by Dionysius the Aeropagite?
Also, the verse right before says, "As such, You have come from her as an Incarnate God of one essence with the Father according to divinity and of one essence with us according to humanity." How come you ignored that part? Is that because it does not fit with your preconceived notions?

So relax and learn what people confess instead of telling them what they believe... Chances are they know what they believe more than what you think they believe. Good day :)

[Antimproc]

Copts are a Church of Martyrs. Are YOU, like the Copts, prepared to give your life for Christ, instead of promoting this nit-picking verbiage?

[theodore]

I’ve been trying to understand Shenouda III’ christology and sotierology. His view logically entails 3 natures of Christ. 1 A divine nature, 2 a human nature… the two are united without change separation or mingling and form a 3rd single theanthropic nature of Christ. That seems fine to me. Theologically, Logically and mereologically it seems okay to me as a personal opinion. But he couldn’t really ever accept the chalcedonian confession. That was a logical inconsistency on his part. And it seems he could not accept a real union with God or theosis. Rightfully he saw that a human hypostasis cannot become a hypostasis in the Trinity and he saw that we don’t swap essences with God. But then it seems he denied every notion of union with God or theosis on those two grounds as though there is no other way.
Really I think Coptic Christology and mysticism are deeply confuse linguistically and conceptually. I came across letter from a Coptic bishop about the Trinity becoming incarnate in Christ and the Eucharist! I can’t imagine very many lay copts think that. I hope the person misspoke and doesn’t believe that the Trinity became incarnate. But that’s what the encyclical said! I’ve seen stuff from Coptic sources that logically imply nestorianism and other Coptic sources that logically imply Eutychianism. From what I can tell hey don’t have a consistent way of talking about Christology let alone its ontological implications.

[theodore]

Seriously read Shenouda III's Deification of Man. I'm not familiar with the books he was writing a polemic against and cannot tell how accurately he is portraying their views. As far as i can tell Shenouda III had a two nature christology! (with a third composite nature) But he can't seem to extend this to the Eucharist. He seems to have denied that Christ's divine nature is united to His human nature in the Eucharist. He correctly realizes that the saints and the church are not the hypostasis of Christ or the Spirit. He rightly sees that we don't swap natures with God. And he rightly rejects the idea of a transmutation of natures. But then he goes way too far and denies that we can partake of the divine nature. We do partake of the divine nature through God's natural energies not his essence. Christ is hypostatically united to our universal human nature. If I'm reading him right, Shenouda seems to have though of Christ's human nature peculiar rather than generic.