How does someone become 'The Terrible'? #animation

I hope you're happy random person that wanted us to talk about ivan!

[ADoughBoy]

I want someone to have the title “slightly above mediocre”

[philinator]

I am concerned about my personal safety so, absolutely not. I love that guy!

[bellla]

The painting of Ivan holding his son as he died would forever be engraved into eyes… it’s such a tragic scene…

[thewingedhussar]

The thing is their were two periods of his rule. Pre wife's death (when he was ivan the great) and post wife's death (ivan the terrible). Despite the power in Ivan's hands. His wife surprisingly had great influence on him.

[Zhuk-zces]

In Russian his title is "Иван Грозный" which roughly translate, to Ivan the Stormy or Fearsome, I think a good translation would be Ivan The Feared.

[ЭрэлДьяконов-въ]

I literally died when narrator said "opri-H-nina" and "zem-CHINA"

[Arystanbek]

He executed only 4000 people during his rule. Meanwhile Henry VIII executed 7200 and was called the defender of faith.

[jeudiballsl]

Again when translating when they were saying ivan the terrible. He wasnt terrible(althought he aint no good guy). Ivan the terrible means he was formidable.

[BaldianOfIbelin]

If I remember correctly, he killed his son without intending to do so, they were both arguing and in a moment of anger Ivan hit him on the head with his scepter, killing him, and Ivan moments later regretted his actions

[Mityamba-jcxe]

He executed 30 thousand people for the duration of all his rule
For your information, that's how many people have died in one night in Paris

[njieenowjonathan]

there is a painting attempting to depict a scene where he stroke his son to death. The artist did a magnificent job depicting his regret as he holds own to the corpse of his heir, just like in this video

[giantdad]

He didn’t beat his daughter in law unprovoked, it was due to her having her hair out, which was a bit taboo for women at the time. His son tried to stop him and was accidentally struck at his temple. It was not a random murder, it was an accident the tsar greatly regretted cuz he did love his son. His violent tendencies also didn’t come from nowhere, he spent most of his childhood fearing that nobility will kill him.

[rihanix]

This is a so overly simplistic short version of my namesake that really just paints him as a silly old lord that only was born like that, when in reality his own people forced him to be like that, especially his fathers enemies.

Ivan was unhinged, yes but not because he wanted but rather he was just so easily prone to violence that made him look like a bloodlust tyrant that cared for no one, but rather just a mentally fuck up dude thanks to his own family, his people and his own father.

[pablobronstein]

Judging people from the past with modern sensibilities.

[lollikabosso.w.n]

Addition to Novgorod one.

Ivan the Terribles authority was limited there, due to the fact Novgorod for the longest time was an independent russian state that controlled that large region, while his own land was for the longest time the Muscovite Principality.

When he united russia, he did it in a way that the local nobles still had more authority and he felt paranoid so as they do not replace him

Which was correct

The Oprichny were only kept as secret police untill the Polish invaded and he found out they were useless.

Also, were talking 16th century, where one part of europe was waging war over how christianity is meant to be, the other fighting the turks. And he was russian tsar, country that just got formed and Northern princes would rather have someone more easily controlled as a tsar.


Not saying he didnt do horrible shit, he did, but so did the greats, and they had a reason just like he did.


And the family abuse? Yeah, that just bad parenting, him killing his son was just stupid. And the 50k dead i find to be unnecessary deaths

[gonca_]

In Portugal, you have a king named John the Terrible because he made everyone kiss his wife's hand... when she was already dead

[cgt]

You forgot the fact that Ivan was constantly at odds with the aristocrats. So much so that he would usualy torture them whenever he had a chance. One time in 1564, he got do fed up with the nobles (as well dealing with the depression from the deaths of his first wife and younger son) that he decided to abdicate.

But the nobles had noone else to replace hom with and were afraid that the people of Moscow would rise up against them. So they begged him to return and he did on the condition of establishing Oprichnina.

Oh and suprisly the Optichniky were disbanded in 1572 after 6 years of existence. The reason was because as it turns out they were bad at fighting other enemies than the common folk, which is what happened when Moscow was sacked by a Crimean Tatar Army.

And he eventually died in 1584 during a gameplay of chess. Officialy it was because of a heart attack but some people claim that he was actually poiaoned by the nobles (at least those who survived)

[TestaTestable]

"Free my boy he ain't done nothing wrong"

The boy in question :

[kian-ganji]

Just one small thing about the title "THE GREAT"
It was originally Cyrus of persia's (aka Cyrus the great) title (one of many) and it was used for referring to the Persian emperor of the time and after the Achaemenid dynasty ended, other rulers started to use it overtime (Alexander of Macedonia being the first)

And a final fun fact: the main title to describe the Persian ruler is "shahanshah" but it doesn't have an English equivalent, it differs from a normal king and the closet synonym for it in English is either "King of the kings" or "emperor"

[kinman]

Just checked the picture of Ivan holding his son. His eyes are my favorite part. You can really see his realization