Why Star Trek Nemesis Failed - Brent Spiner

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[keithode]

Say what you will about Nemesis, it had us openly crying in the theater at Data's death. All twenty of us.

[kayvanantwerpen]

Awww the nervous lady at the end is so cute.

[brettcooper]

I love how you can still see Data in his eyes. He could still do it, given the right circumstances and I love Brent Spiner's snark and humor. I wonder if he drew on that for Lore...

[cheyneysparks]

Things to Love about Nemesis
The Villian Shinson was one of the most complex villians Picard and Crew had ever faced
played by a young up and coming Tom Hardy who's portrayl was both eerie and sympathetic.
The relationship between him and Picard gave weight to the ending because of the toll it took on Picard .
The wedding of Riker and Troy. It was a fun way to bring back characters who you hadn't seen in a while. ie Guinan, Wesley Crusher. The theme of family reverberate through the entire film. The movie explored deep into the inner politics of the Romulan Empire which you rarely see. The space battle scenes are the best since Wrath of Khan. I enjoyed seeing Troy use her gifts to locate the cloaked Scimitar....it was a great way to use her character. The Naration Picard gives before the final Battle is especially epic. The death of Data has so much weight to it because it really is a situation where he goes to save his captain and friend and makes the ultimate human sacrifice. As an android he would technically exist for hundreds maybe thousands of years but in this moment he learns the final lesson on his road to become human and thats confronting his own mortality. And it was played beautifully.

[thesilentobserver]

I enjoyed Nemesis. It was a fun movie. Just hated that Data was killed off.

[dford]

We need another Star trek generation movie. Thank you.

[Helbore]

The problem with Nemesis was its basic premise. Rick Berman even stated it at the time - they wanted to make TNG's Wrath of Khan and give Picard a nemesis the way Kirk did in the film. That was the problem - the premise wasn't a story, it was a conceit to copy a better film.

Besides, if they REALLY wanted a great Romulan nemesis for Picard, they should have just brought back Tomalok. Great character who had great chemistry with Stewart. Someone who actually fitted the role of a known historical nemesis who could go toe-to-toe with Picard, played by a fantastic actor (I think he was still alive then) and would give us a final showdown between those adversaries that would have actually interested the fans.

[darthglobe]

Data was one of my favourite characters and like all other fans, I didn't liked his death. But in a way he achieved by his death what he always wished to achieve: to become more human. Humans die. Androids theoretically don't. But Data did.

And like all other fans I do want TNG cast to assemble once again.

[durchhalter]

My reasons for not liking Nemesis:

1) Finally a Trek movie with the Romulans... and they are completely sidelined.
2) Even the never before mentioned slave race of the Remans do not stand on their own as antagonists but have to be lead by a human.
3) B4?! Really??!! After over a decade of establishing the uniqueness of Data???!!! And then it’s the Romulans and not the crew of the only ship with a Soong android that manages to find that thing first???!!! Come
4) A slave race manages to engineer the necessary tech and then assemble the necessary resources to build a virtually unbeatable ship without it‘s masters (who are established to have one of the most efficient intelligence agencies in the galaxy) noticing anything?!
5) Jean Luc Picard is shaken and questions his individuality, just because there is a clone of him running around? This is supposed to be the 23rd century and everybody is basically a genius of some kind and well educated in virtually everything... and still he doesn't realize that every identical twin has a clone of him/herselfs running around?! Do they feel like copies of one another? Do they think they're not unique individuals? NO - OF COURSE NOT - BECAUSE THEY AREN'T!!!

Data dying was really not the problem of that movie... imo.

[Agerskiold]

I was sad to tears, when I saw it the first time. However over the years it has become one of my top 5 Star Trek films. (It can't beat First Contact though, in my opinion one of the best scifi adventures ever made).

[jamiethomas]

Thank you for not leaving us hanging with the cut off answer from the previous video.
Thank you for sharing this great panel.

[rocketdave]

Sure, killing off a popular character is the reason fans failed to embrace Nemesis. That's why Wrath of Khan is most people's least favorite Trek movie. /s

[anicetune]

Nemesis was bad because it was like all the J.J. Abrams Star Trek films.

Too many dumb space battles and not enough warmth, intelligence and depth (which is what made The Next Generation so great).

[KILRtv]

The Contingency Plan he spoke of was actually used to bring Data back in the lore of Star Trek Online in which he became the last captain of the Enterprise E. Picard had retired back to France.

[AndrewNeilFalconer]

NEMESIS had all the characters acting like they forgot what happened in the past 10 years of their lives. There was almost no continuity with the rest of the movies or the TV series. The editing was abrupt. It was a total downer.

[plo]

The biggest reason why Nemesis failed at the box office, is because of the mediocre reception of Star Trek Insurrection. Of course, reviews didn't help either. However the success/failure of the previous film (with critics/audiences) tend to bleed into a sequel's box office.

[tronentertainment]

During the ST: TNG run people frequently said I bare a strong resemblance to DATA. When DATA was killed in the movie, I had not seen it yet. One weekend during my Air National Guard weekend drill, people kept coming up to me saying, "Condolences on your loss."

[adampulchinski]

yeah, that's not why fans didn't like the movie. fans didn't like it because they crapped on a couple decades of continuity and made a space battle flick.

[heyitsmemg]

Two reasons:

1. Like Brent said, nobody went to see it. I did see it in the theaters and there was hardly anybody there for it. I think life had just gone out of Star Trek at that point and nobody cared.

2. It didn’t help that the film was was basically a remake of Wrath of Khan. The problem with TNG films (other than First Contact) was that you really didn’t care about the plots or the villains.

[dragonknightleader]

When the TNG crew were making this movie, they didn't realize they were making Death Wish 4.