Viewers Mistakes #11 | The Difference In Speed

Ratings A to F depending on involvement in risk. Don't forget all of my contributors hold their hands up when sending in these clips.
This episode highlights the dangers in the difference of speed between road users.

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[daveg]

On the 1st one, without a rear view we don't know if reversing was an option, could easily have been other cars following the cammer.

[robg]

6:47, the camer is being an absolute spanner. The type of person who will see someone in trouble and wind them up until something breaks.

[robg]

1st clip, have I ever drove over the kerb to get out of an awkward situation ?…. Hell yes.

[robg]

2:40. You can see that she has ear phones in listening to music completely oblivious to anything going on behind her.
And she is on a municipal hire bike, meaning she is probably someone who is a part time cyclist and not familiar with the rules of the road.

[WIBOMATIC]

1st clip is near where I used to live in Jesmond, Newcastle. This scenario happens all day every day at that bend. Usually either the white car would give way without entering the pinch point, or the cammer would stop exactly where they did and allow the white car to pass.

There is almost certainly enough room where the cammer stopped for the white car to pass, the white car just wanted to make a scene for no reason.

[garryk]

Can't see how the cyclist in front gets a B Ash. She's oblivious to everything around her. Zero checks behind. Cycles in both lanes. Listening to music on ear buds. She's a D. Cyclist behind is an E cos they can see it all unfold yet still try to pass without making any attempt to communicate presence or intention.

[TheEulerID]

If that is truly a learner driver @8:05, then there ought to be a grade for both the learner driver themselves and the person supervising them. It was, truly awful, with no signalling and not observing properly. As it is, I don't think there was a learner in that car as generally, they don't tend to suddenly switch lanes and hit the accelerator hard. What often seems to happen is that some people just don't bother to remove the "L" plates at the end of a "lesson". If so, I hope whoever was driving that white care isn't giving tuition.

[robg]

8:09 it’s at this point when all of the alarm bells should be ringing.
Traveling a speed and about to filter between stationary traffic where anyone could pull out [like the learner did], or a pedestrian could step out crossing over etc.

[leet]

Red light at 6:04

Where is the Solid White Line at the lights to indicate these are not repeater lights? Are you sure the car should even have stopped there?

I recently drove through a red light (which I assume this driver may have first thought and not on "auto pilot" to my daughters protest. Only when I went back few weeks later, the Solid White Line is completely gone right across and that would have been my defence in court if caught. The Highway Code clearly states stopping at a Solid White Line where there are traffic lights.

Witnessing a car crash two weeks ago where driver had no idea had just driven through a crossroads.

No lines gave the impression the Give Way was for him to go through.

Councils have neglected road markings for years, one causing a crash with me as i pulled out through stationary traffic to turn right being hit by a car illegally overtaking.

Insurance went against me claiming I'd pulled out in front if an established vehicle. Lines that showed he'd driven over chevrons were barely visible which where remarked a year later - where I was not the fault driver.

He eventually withdrew the claim and can only assume he'd realised i was willing to go to court.

[PP-cmre]

That last clip is exactly why we have those zig zags at crossings that mean no overtaking. Too many drivers don’t even know what those zig zags are for.

[goodguykonrad]

In the last clip, you should really be watching the next lane if you're going to stop like that. Sound the horn if someone's coming that can come straight through, especially if the person crossing is a child or looks like they might not pay attention

[RicardoPetrazzi]

to answer your question on that horn use, think it was a rebuke from the on-coming car and the 2nd horn was used as a reply to say p*** off

[nickdawson]

Clip 2: Fortunately no pedestrians exiting the Tube station! As a rule the cyclist with the head cam will always make an issue of other people’s mistake otherwise life is not worth living. It’s called Vine Syndrome and is wide spread and extremely contagious!

[ShadowReaperX]

I disagree that the cyclist in Clip 2 essentially gets "A passing Grade" because 'She's inexperienced and people should look after her'.

Her habits don't award a passing grade.
She ALSO could have avoided all of this (but I doubt she was aware she even caused any problems).
- No weaving
- Being able to actually HEAR what is going on around her (No Headphones)
- Performing even ONE shoulder check before making her turn

Yes, cammer should also get a bad grade, I don't disagree with it, the second it became obvious she was clueless, you just let her get on with her day, and if she crashes, she crashes - as long as it's not into you. She is an accident waiting to happen.
Ash, I saw you post elsewhere "Is this any different than a child riding?" and I understand your premise:
The broad answer is "No" - Once it became obvious she was oblivious/inexperienced, by definition, she becomes a hazard, and you're now in charge of keeping her safe from yourself.
The more specific answer is "Yes" - She is old enough to know better, and by making the conscientious choice, whether it's through the enjoyment of cycling, or the more likely wish to escape traffic or parking by choosing to cycle, she has subject herself to being in a position of more risk than in a vehicle, but less risk than that of a pedestrian. She does absolutely NOTHING to ensure she keeps herself safe she puts the onus ENTIRELY on everyone else around her. If she's choosing to cycle, the least she could do is basic cycling given, as I mentioned, unlike a child, who you expect to be ignorant of the world around them due to lack of experience (and/or knowledge) she is an adult or a close enough approximation to one that you expect them not to live in ignorance.

I really dislike the palming off of "Ignorance" as being someone else's problem.
It's always someone else's problem until you put yourself into an irreconcilable position, and no matter how good someone else is, there is no way for them to protect you anymore.

It's not a passing Grade.
This is two D grades meeting.
One is ignorant and oblivious.
The other is impatient

Tale as a old as time.

[galvatronre.formatted]

1st clip...We have pinch points similar to this near where I live, they have been installed the wrong way round so that which ever direction you approach from, you cannot see oncoming vehicles until you are committed to the opposite lane. If the oncoming traffic is travelling at a reasonable speed, they can slow and allow you to complete, if they are racing (exactly the behaviour the 'calming' is intended to prevent but doesn't as they are given priority!) it is a head-on...there have been a few but the local council refuse to admit the measures are wrong.

[bordersw]

Been driving for 40 years, once you understand that everyone else on the road is out to kill you, you can drive appropriately.

[ImpactedWhisper]

So I'm the car @6:15 to @7:15 the mini-round about, the footage was sent in back in April and I had only been passed around 8 Months at that time. 100% I should've slowed down more than I had, but I truthfully didn't expect the merc to do a U-turn, he also had no indicators on, to clarify as well it wasn't me who beeped their horn that was the other guy. I was approaching the roundabout at 17mph, which isn't included in this video and I was in 2nd gear at the time, I both should have reacted sooner and slowed down a bit more without a doubt, since this incident went back to my instructor and had a 3hr lesson on meeting situations and roundabouts like this, as I knew I was more in the wrong than the other driver - and so far I've yet to cause any other similar incident :P and I am taking make it a non-event more seriously!

I should clarify that I only pointed out having a dashcam as the guy picked up a ceramic mug and threaten to throw it at my car which you can see at 6:55/6:56

[kenbrown]

on the second clip; this is how some cycling youtubers say you are to do an overtake - on the left as the person you are overtaking is turning left.

more seriously; if the cyclist in front of you is not maintaining a lane, that's an immediate warning to take no chances.

[BeautyByBike]

@ 1:38 - ah, this one is so relatable! Cyclists try so hard to get motorists to pass us safely and then close pass other cyclists - why?! Just wait for a good time without junctions where you can overtake on the right.

Also, I think the cyclist in front was too lazy to make the corner, hence why they went in the oncoming lane. I think they should have got a D too!

[macaalf]

Last clip: The cammer "invited" the cyclist to cross by stopping there, they could have gone past the crossing without blocking it. Inexperienced road users assume that the one letting them out does it because it is safe. Happens all the time. NEVER rely on other road users, ALWAYS make sure yourself!