The Absurdity of Socialism | Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin #CLIP

Dave Rubin speaks on how young believe they are oppressed despite the great privileges they enjoy that past generations could only dream of. Jordan Peterson then enters the discussion, stressing that labelling our society as an oppressive patriarchy is fundamentally flawed, explaining how our system is superior to alternative worldviews, like socialism.

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Conversations feature John Anderson, former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia, interviewing the world's foremost thought leaders about today's pressing social, cultural and political issues.

John believes proper, robust dialogue is necessary if we are to maintain our social strength and cohesion. As he puts it; "You cannot get good public policy out of a bad public debate."

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Jordan Peterson:

Dave Rubin:

[jezcorrigan]

JP literally 100% focuses when someone else is speaking.

I often find myself daydreaming when someone has been talking for a certain length of time but he literally absorbs every word spoken.

[amsalespush]

Growing up in Germany in the 1970s abd 1980s, we sometimes discussed how "oppressed" we were, while living in the most wealthy and arguably the freeest society that humans have ever had in known history.

[MrDogmaHunter]

I don't always agree with Peterson. But every time I am impressed with his intelligence, reasonableness and his ability to express his ideas in such accessible and understandable ways. Truly a great speaker and someone worth listening to.

[oldcaptainjack]

I have read both his Rules for Life books and have learned so many useful things that I hadn't considered from it. Now I think about improving things much more locally, listen to people I disagree with, and am trying to better my own position in life rather than just passively complaining about society on social media (which I got rid of.) Listening to him hasn't made me worse.

[IPASAustralia]

I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson, but I was also very impressed with Dave Rubin's take on speaking with the young entitled. Well worded and well argued.

[goodtalker]

I'm 60, retired, but 4 years ago took a part time job at a major US retailer. I needed something to keep me busy and helping people with their plumbing and electrical problems is satisfying. Most of the staff is under 30, lazy, and have never been under anyone's authority. For most of them, respecting parents, teachers, police, supervisors, etc. was all optional growing up. Seeking wisdom from those older individuals, for them, is seen as a waste of time. God help us.

[Jack-jryv]

I agree with the argument that socialism can lead to totalitarianism, but what just happened here in Australia shows that even with a conservative liberal government totalitarianism can still be manifested, whether you're left or right or politics, power can be corrupted.

[zipkeen]

“You don’t throw away the whole book” Deserves to be a mantra. Still only a 50 percent fan of Jordon Peterson but at the same time I am a 100 percent fan of the 50 percent.

[danagasumova]

I loved the point JP made about humility: "You really think you're capable of making large-scale social transformations and getting it right, do you?" This question should be put to Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

[HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

The danger of intellectual laziness. I don't think people realise just how much painstaking work was put into the development if human societies to take us from caves and trees to present day. And that the problems with what we are left with cannot simply be fixed by violently ripping out entire traditional sections of society and thinking "this will not backfire at all, it will instead lead to utopia".
It is important to remember that we rarely ponder the things that humans have done remarkably well; we focus on problems which increases ingratitude.

[williamfriar]

Two different restaurant shifts used two different tipping types:
1) all tips went into ONE jar and were divided evenly at shift’s end.
2) each server kept all tips individually gotten.

Some liked the first method; some liked the second. You can guess which type of person liked which method.

[shakes]

My grandparents had it better than me. Married at 18 and bought their first house at 19. Im in my mid 20s and my dream of home ownership is exactly that, a dream.

I feel many Canadians are in a similar boat as me.

[gregg]

This reminds me of a conversation that I had with my daughter several months ago. I don't remember how the subject came up, but I asked her if she actually believed that she had "inherent white privilege". Much to my surprise, she responded yes. When I tried to engage in a conversation with her about it, she said that she didn't come to visit just to argue with me.

The reason I bring this up is this: Younger people today firmly believe that they are smart enough to not only believe this fiction, but believe that they are smart enough to SOLVE the issues that they really can't completely understand. When confronted with debate they tend to avoid the subject altogether, believing that they are absolutely correct, and nothing that anyone says will change their mind. The unwillingness to LISTEN is what bothers me most of all. I offer the chance to debate (which then gives them the chance to try to change MY point or position), but they refuse to discuss anything.

Do any of you find this to be true as well?

[IIVVBlues]

Peterson is amazingly articulate and elegant in his speaking. He just makes so much sense.
I'm a little older than Peterson, but I've often tried to explain many of these ideas with far less success. I think of society as an ecosystem which has evolved into a tangled web of relationships not unlike our biosphere. We have only begun to understand a few of its elements and are nowhere near being able to construct a replacement. The near-sighted arrogance of those who thing they can is equally amazing.

[theiridulezen]

To think that Dr. Peterson is suffering from withdrawal symptoms and not to mention other crises in his family ALL WHILE being so articulately insightful in this clip speaks volumes of the kind of person he is. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him you gotta love his commitment and passion.. Super 👍🏻

[calvin_]

I think John Anderson is very good at what he explains. He is very clear and accesible in what he talks. But Jordan Peterson is in a whole another level. When Peterson starts to talk, he just goes on and on from one really deep point to another, flawless. It's really impressive.

[karlostj]

My grandparents had it better off than I do in at least one significant way: They weren't oppressed by The Woke Mob.

[jessyleodyn]

Each time I hear Jordan Peterson, I get a better grasp on things which have been puzzling me for a long time. And what is magnificent is that he always find a point of observation that is enlightening.
I really like listening to what he says.

[jladdyost]

To Dave's point, who among us can say we have it worse than our grandparents? Not many. One of mine died in the Great Flu of 1918, another was orphaned at 10 and scrubbed floors from 14, with a baby in tow at 18, another died of diabetes at 50 in 1940, another taught school for $4000 per year. A step-grandfather shoveled coal into a furnace 60 hours a week before overtime. Yes, my life has been easier than all of theirs.

[mopedparts]

Man. This man just makes sense. From following the "are you worse off then your grandparents' question, Dr. Peterson just RAN with it and scored MULTIPLE Touchdowns (that's American Football speak, ... sorry). The thing is that what he said is so intelligent yet one doesn't have to be intellectual to understand how much SENSE what he says actually makes in a way on both a personal and realistic level. Wow.