Here's why I was wrong about Vatican II w/ Timothy Gordon

In this video, Timothy talks about how important it is, as a YouTuber, to be willing to accept that you might be wrong from time to time and to change your position accordingly.

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[capecodder]

Why was he wrong about Vatican II?
The title of the video was never answered.

[TrulyLordOfNothing]

Looking for the part where he explains why he was wrong about Vatican II.

[eoinginty]

I would like to see Timothy debate someone like Dr Peter Kwasniewski or Fr. Chad Ripperger on Vatican II. Both of those men are Thomistic Philosophers too!

[rosannerossi]

I bought a TnT onesie for my grandson. Now they have another baby, so he wears it too. I miss TnT

[gwynethcook]

Hey Tim read Infiltration? He never said it started in VII.

[oswaldomaldonado]

I love Taylor Marshall. I would like to see him on Pints with Aquinas to discuss these things.

[kevinstrnad]

I lived through VII and saw the Church torn apart afterwards. I accept that there is nothing heretical in the VII documents; however, there are statements within those documents that were used to bring about changes that caused tens of thousands of Priests and Religious to renounce their vocations and millions of Catholics to leave the Church. I would like Tim to discuss the role of VII in this disaster. I accept VII as a valid council but I believe that the Holy Spirit's role in it was less of Devine Guidance and more of damage control. Can anyone deny that the fruits of VII have been mostly rotten?

[leekflower]

Never addresses why he was wrong on VII

[readmore]

Modernism didn’t start with V2. It just took over the Church at that point. Isn’t this exactly what Marshall is saying in Infiltration? When did anyone say the rot began at V2?

[cassiehintermister]

Did he ever answer the question why he was wrong about Vatican II?

[JacobThomasRudd]

I would love to see more
Catholic debates, especially related to novus ordo/latin mass, V2, and state of the Church! If Marshall doesn't want to lets find one of his fans.

[roen]

One of the best books on the 2nd Vatican Council is by James Likoudis entitled, "The Pope, The Council, And The Mass." This should be a required read for every Catholic, especially those who have hangups with Vatican II.

[dinabishop]

I love taylor, and all catholic commentators online including this channel, ty!

[susanharrington]

Timothy, why don't you call Taylor and talk to him as a friend off line?

[c.maciel]

The point is: there is a huge elephant in the room, which is still - up to this point - not being addressed at all, and imho Timothy Gordon isn't helping at all. Back in my protestant days, for me it was normal to compartmentalize my brain in two segments: one which I would fit the religious stuff, and another which would accommodate the day-to-day things. +20 years later, after having spent most of it in atheism, and then being converted into Catholicism, I can no longer do that kind of harm to my brain, never again!

One can go on and talk 'till the blue on one's face, trying to justify why and how all the evil that is coming out of the Vatican these days are not what it seems to be. And while I do not subscribe to every thing that Dr. Taylor Marshall is saying out there, at least he is in fact talking about the elephant in the room. To accept Bergoglio's actions and sayings, while still giving him full credit, is trying to brush the dirt under the carpet, thinking that nobody is really paying attention to it, and he (Bergoglio) has already gone to the point of no defense. No matter how deep one can swimm into the theology, and tradition, trying to find an excuse for the inexcusable. An honest man, who really knows the tradition, is aware that past Popes have condemned what is happening today, to the point of telling us that if one day even one Pope appeared defending modernism, we should dismiss his sayings.

I prefer to subscribe to what people like Bishop Vigano are saying. It's certainly not an easy pill to swallow, but who said, after all, that it would be easy to follow the truth. I'm not selling myself to that caricature of Catholicism that Bergoglio is trying to make out of the real Catholicism.

[carissahanson]

I did watch the full episode and to be honest with you I was glad not to hear a whole bunch of negative stuff in regards to disagreements I like seeing that people can go back to the old way of disagreement which means open discussion it was very calming in this divided society to see a nice video with two friends thanks

[leekflower]

I'm new to the game and not in the loop but this discussion felt like I was listening in on a personal conversation. I feel like this shouldn't be aired for all. We need to stick together and deal with our differences in private. Agree debate is fine, but not so much the finer points of the behind the scenes personal issues.

[justinreany]

The biggest mark that V2 was a deviatition from the perennial tradition that preceded it was when Pope John XXIII allowed the revolutionary modernists to get all the preparatory schema thrown out - that theologians spent 3-4 years preparing. They were able to appoint their own committees and rewrite the schema and documents by men with questionable intentions and orthodoxy at best

[workinalivin]

Debate is a skill. To keep debate amicable, keep it non-personal. Don't make it personal, don't take it personal.

[ohmightywez]

Can’t leave out Chesterton when talking about CS Lewis’ conversion to Christianity. 🙂