How This New Battery is Changing the Game

Corrections:
04:40 - Should be "can be cycled daily for 15,000 cycles OR five years with zero degradation"

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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:44 - InterBattery 2024 & The LFP Battery
03:04 - Why is Energy Storage Important?
03:55 - CATL TENER System
04:43 - Sponsor: Surfshark
05:54 - Back to the CATL TENER System
08:36 - Other New LFPs

[ErilynOfAnachronos]

Five years without degradation makes me think they should have named it the Fiver instead of the Tener.

[robfj]

Cobalt doesn’t come from Africa in spite of the terrible working conditions. It is predominantly mined there BECAUSE of those conditions.
Many countries including Canada have access to as much cobalt but safety restrictions and much higher wages make African sources much more lucrative.
In fact, there is a mining town in Canada named Cobalt after this and other rare earths that used to be mined there.
The resources still exist. It’s just cheaper to dig elsewhere.

[patrickhobbs]

Point of clarification: Rolls-Royce Motor Cars Limited was created by BMW in 1998 and is completely unaffiliated with Rolls-Royce PLC, the owner of Rolls-Royce Power Systems and the MTU brand. Rolls-Royce hasn't made cars since its bankruptcy in 1971. BMW licences the brand and logo, but the cars share no lineage with the cars made prior to Rolls-Royce's bankruptcy.

[marklehr]

I realize this sounds a bit sappy, but listening to your content always gives me hope that one day, humanity will find a way to balance our energy needs while maintaining environmental stewardship. These advances aren't game changers but necessary steps toward better technology. Another outstanding job. Thank you, Matt!

[DreadDeimos]

Please tell me that I'm not the only one who reads CATL as "cattle".

[lexnite]

7:31 "With their powers combine"...Missed opportunity to add Captain Planet reference

[dmon]

I will watch what CATL warranty is for those batteries, without such low degradation no one should be able to beat there's warranty.

[danharold]

People are complaining that battery cell tech never makes it to market.
It can take years to get from the lab to commercial penetration. 1996: John Goodenough and his team at the University of Texas at Austin discovered the LFP cathode material. Pattent was granted in 1999.
The global LFP share increased to 34% in 2022.
November 2023, LFP batteries captured 31% of the passenger EV battery market.
The forecast is to reach 39% by 2024.
In China, LFP batteries now make up over 50% of the EV battery market in GWh term.
Interest in battery cells has increased somewhat and perhaps that will accelerate the required time.

[retro]

I celebrate every new (potential) track that opens in the sustainable energy space. More innovation; more progress

[littlewolfblue]

@3:44 the energy STORAGE market almost tripled. Not energy market.

[hvranic]

Every week, another "new" battery is changing the game

[SaturnusDK]

They are probably achieving having no capacity degradation in the first 5 years by cheating a little. And the 15000 cycles quoted hints at exactly that. The capacity degradation of LFPs over 5000 full cycles should be about 20%. However, if you make the capacity 20% larger to start with but never allow each cell to charge to more than about 85% then you should only see about 5% capacity degradation over 5000 cycles. So after 15000 cycles, or 5 years, you should effectively see no actual degradation on the quoted capacity.

[junkerzn]

It should be noted that LFP cells already easily outlast any power electronics associated with them and have for a long time. So, this is good progress, but it isn't earth-shattering. Also, as with most ESS manufacturers, CATL likely builds some buffer room in their capacity guarantees verses the actual capacity of their cells. Their ESS systems (and certainly their marketing) are likely programmed only to the capacity guarantee. The cells probably do degrade (but LFP degrades very slowly anyway)... but its hidden for a time by the buffer.

In anycase, this is almost a moot point. LFP cells have such low degradation that the actual cycling is almost irrelevant... Calendar aging does more damage. And as I've mentioned several times, the power electronics associated with these packs will fail long, long before the cells do. Even with regular LFP cells. As a maintenance item, the power electronics represent a much bigger fish.

-Matt

[bowuf]

It's interesting how fast things move. While solid state seems like the ultimate way to achieve potential airplanes, etc on electric, I feel like sodium ion is going to be the biggest growth area soon. Natron Energy is building a 2nd plant in the USA and while it may not work well for cars yet, the storage capacity and price seems like a win win for everyone. Though I have a few LFP cells for a home DIY battery, I am now hoping the salt battery cells start showing up to build longer lasting storage. That Natron's cells supposedly do 50, 000 cycles and full charge in 12 minutes is damn impressive. Thats a lifetime battery right now for most who could buy one (though I dont think they are for homes yet). I could see however if they can increase the capacity without weight in the next couple years, we could see affordable 25K EVs with 500+ mile ranges.. maybe not 0 to 60 in 4 seconds or so.. but I would argue most people would want a 500 to 1000 mile range on a 12 min charge over a couple seconds faster to 60mph. Especially if it could also last 20, 000 to 50, 000 cycles making it a 100 year+ battery.

[ps]

They should focus on sodium ion for stationary storage.

[lint]

All these pieces of knowledge help guide the future successes. Oh, those marketing guys! Hydrogen and oxygen "self assemble" into H2O.

[DimSimSam]

Remember when Matt Ferrell was promoting Elon Musk and “Hyperloop”. He’s doing that again.

[lucianosilvam]

Unless this 5 year no degradation claim turns into a performance warranty, its only music..

[marktadlock]

I thought cobalt was used to reduce thermal runaway

[gpsfinancial]

18.000 people working in the R&D department of CATL, including 250 PhDs... let's expect quite fast quite many innovations for higher efficiencies, longer lifetimes, less material use, and lower costs