'The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Bible: What Apologists Are Not Telling You'

Christian Apologists love the Dead Sea Scrolls simply by virtue of how old they are, how many there are & how many of them are very close or match exactly with the traditional Hebrew text. Unfortunately many apologists are only telling half-truths for part of the story about the DSS. Join Dr. Kipp and me as we explore the invention of Monotheism and the failure of Prophecy in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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Time-stamps
0:00: Introduction
5:01: Dr. Davis’ remarks on the structure of his presentation
11:10: Job 1:6-12: God makes a wager with Satan
19:35: The court of El
23:13: Ascendency: how to become the god of the universe?
38:05: Polytheism vs monotheism: Deuteronomy 32:8-12
1:01:26: Deuteronomy 32:43
1:18:36: Break time: Dr. Davis in “The Naked Archaeologist” (2005)
1:30:24: Superchat: What do the DSS have to say about archangels?
1:32:17: Dr. Peter Flint on Psalm 22:16: “They pierced” or “Like a lion”? (video)
1:37:53: Dr. Davis’ remarks on Dr. Flint’s presentation
2:13:48: Final remarks from Dr. Davis
2:18:25: Superchat: The greek term in Psalm 22:16 means “dig”, not “pierce”
2:20:14: Derek: “The English Bibles omit things we discussed in Deut. 32:43”
2:24:57: How to follow Kipp Davis’ and Derek Lambert’s work
2:29:41: Chat: “Tovia Singer says that the DSS validate the masoretic text
2:34:57: Superchat: How to respond to the claim that the DSS was a genizah of mss that were disregarded?
2:40:53: Superchat: Survey of “sons of God” in Deut. 32:8 in 20 modern Bibles [...]

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[DrKippDavis]

This was a really fun stream that I see has ruffled some feathers. I think everyone should know that my primary point was to show how the Dead Sea Scrolls have been inappropriately marshaled by apologists, and to counteract some of that with some examples of how the Scrolls inform about the textual history of the Bible, sometimes in surprising ways.

I can't wait to come back and do it again.

[shavinss]

Why is it we always hear about male gods or deities coming to Earth and sleeping with human women but we never hear about female gods or deities coming to Earth and sleeping with human men??

[JD-ltuv]

As a former fundi myself, I appreciate this so much. I've been studying this stuff for over a decade, and you guys are SPOT ON. Bravo.

[whippet]

Zecharia Sitchin knocked this out 50 years ago! The El Bibliqu covered this up like a dog with a bone. One of the scholars on the team, I think it was John Allegro outed some of these cover ups and was viciously attacked by fundamentalist orthodox scholars, both Protestant and Catholic! Now we can see what they were so afraid of.

[zandanforth]

Thank you! Although I am not a practicing Christian I love to study that in which has influenced western culture in every way. I do not have an opinion upon the spiritual questions this has raised, I am all in for the historical value. From everything I have read and seen, this podcast has put some pieces of the puzzle into place. There should not be controversy, just enlightenment, and or education at the very least, as this is (I am assuming) the whole point is you all are coming from a HISTORICAL viewpoint. I would suggest that if we were 1) to put ourselves in a Babylonian / Egyptian, mind set that all kings proclaimed themselves to be Gods. They had to be in order to have ultimate power over large groups of people. I could write a paper upon how a culture can transform, simply with the beehive mentality, “believe this or burn in hell for eternity”. If it is done slowly, the Romans and Muslims are a prime example . (Or 2) we go into the Ancient Alien stuff. )In order to accurately translate one MUST try to put themselves into this mindset. This was a time when people sacrificed children, and which was a socially acceptable way to make it rain or give thanks to Ba’al .Granted I haven’t a PHD in sociology or archeology but as a recovering Christian, I applaud what you are doing . I left the religion due to the book of Job ., and blaming all of my sins upon a “devil”. Maybe in a deferent time, theologians and pastors would have treated my ligament questions about translations of words and the true spirit of Christianity, with a bit more sincerity instead of thinking the devil was trying to change my mind.
Good on you guys! Clearly you do it for the love of your religion, and it seems to me you have true faith . God gave us a brain! Bravo for those that use it!

[randellmathews]

This also speaks to the size of the massive train wreck of
Gods, Religions, and Bibles.
Really intelligent thinkers couldn’t make it make sense.

[frankoppizzi]

I literally discovered this channel last week and I've been listening non stop since then! I take that info and ask my catholic priest friend questions that he even has to think about.

[ikecalle]

Excellent often overlooked subject. Dr. Michael Heiser explains in-depth where key passages in the Septuagint, Masoretic and DDS have significant differences which contrasts their meaning.

[hstacker]

1:09:59 Derek, you’re such an amazing host. Dope intermission
I can count my subscriptions to channels on one hand. You’re definitely get a finger 👍🏽

[tadkissonGod]

Dang! I've watched this and other videos of his A LOT over the last week or two and had NO idea it was the same guy I watched about Constantine and the arch! I loved that video! He's so awesome! Thank you both for revealing TRUTH. I love y'all!

[FullyBadDad]

It never ceases to amaze me how our tongues are a testimony against us!

[rochesterjohnny]

I almost skipped this one, the title doesn't do it justice, fantastic and made me reconsider some of my own theories about Christianity because the Old Testament does indeed talk about Gods having children. Maybe "Is there evidence of Polytheism in early Old Testament texts"

[alittleofeverything]

If there was valid, even logical, evidence then there wouldn't be apologists, or contrived arguments for the existence of God. They walk around like they're speaking the truth. In my opinion a faith position needs to have more humility.

[dynamic]

Really appreciate this video with Dr. Kipp Davis..I've learned alot.

[Lpettro]

You say that Christians downplay the divine council but there is a huge interest in this topic. Look at the work of Dr. Michael Heiser. He has become very well known in the Christian community because of his writings on exactly this topic.

[STRTSofJUSTC]

That was super fascinating. Probably the most interesting talk you've had on your channel.

[ImranKhan-numb]

Very very interesting, you are dismantling more walls than you know. Good show

[henrickno]

Damn... This channel need 100 million subscribers... so good...

[douglasgrant]

Derek I've been listening to your broadcast of your programs and I can tell you that I am just so happy that you are doing them.. These are the programs that the Christian church in general are afraid of... It's no wonder that the fundamentalist call this the mainstream..

[brendawiebe]

As a late comer to your Chanel, man you hit on the questions I myself ask, but I can not answer on my own! Thank you