DAIMA completely contradicted Dragon Ball Super?!

[thomasanderson]

Toriyama manages to shit on Vegeta one last time

[Trollius]

same reason it took so long for us to see giant piccolo, everyone likely forgot

[antoanthony]

plot twist, the entire daima series was a nightmare Vegeta had

[Jman]

I personally think that Goku physically couldn’t go back to ssj4 after Daima, so he just accepted the fact that ssj3 was his final form at that point and time. Which is why he specifically states that “right now” ssj3 is his final form since he knows from experience that he can go even further beyond

[jefferyisbell]

They also contradict the Potara Earrings saying that it only last for an hour that’s why they unfused but in here it was because of Buu magic barrier

[Vierdro]

It probably would not change the result of the fight, but I would still love to see ssj4 vs Beerus.

[kamenjojo]

Oh lord the prequel of a prequel contradict itself how shocking

[TheMrGiannisgr]

Toriyama forgets things. That’s the best gag in Daima.

[ZeroRequiem-gp]

i like how people just can't come to terms with it being a retcon that was only thought of now

[Ethangacha]

I personally still think
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Good Lord, I have started a comment war

[dek]

Bro gave us the biggest anime plothole before he passed

[Baxtothefuture_]

Nevas not standing next to him when he fights beerus. So yes, ssj3 is his final form due to the fact Neva wasn’t there mid fight

[leidiot]

I think everyone wants to know why vegeta didnt use ssj3 in battle of gods

[nolanmance]

I think it's the same thing when he couldn't go ultra instinct at the end of the DBS anime. He had to be pushed to it during the TOP but later gained full access to it. This time Neva acted as the trigger for the transformation that Goku was training to unlock. And that was what he training for at the beginning of super. Yes, goku did go ssj4 on his own later, but he went ultra instinct a few times in the TOP, then couldn't reach it immediately afterwards.

[_DEMI]

I feel like the easy explanation was it being a demon world exclusive form

[mike]

Maybe Goku didn't use SS4 on Beerus because he wanted to beat him with his own strength, not borrow strength he didn't train for, which will make sense Goku telling Beerus SS3 is afar he could go on his own and so Goku to hold back and not uses SS4 on Beerus because he didn't get from his own training even if it means losing.

[Centbair]

My theory is that it was triggered, but returning home, Goku lost the connection to SS4 and unable to get back into it. Either that or He won't mention SS4 unless there is a massive danger. Like a final hidden move to catch the enemies off guard, or maybe SS4 is much more taxing than SS3 was, and Goku just keeps it in his back pocket. My thoughts.

[taomyalbertohoffmanrestrep]

And toriyama left to leave us with this uncertainty for the rest of time

[ProvidedJet]

Ok hear me out: what if Diama actually takes place in an alternate timeline.

[UltimateDragon]

Goku thinks Super Saiyan 4 was only achievable through outside influence & not his own strength, just like that of Super Saiyan God.