Is Jesus the Jewish Messiah? A Messianic Jew Debates an Orthodox Rabbi

[matthewburke]

Listening to the rabbi say keep my commandments whilst he breaks the commandments every day. Dude needs a saviour

[chrissyknott]

The rabbi has no understanding of Christianity. Nor does he understand that Jews who accept Jesus are still Jews, and that Jesus's name is Yeshua because he was Jewish, not a gentile.

[SeanWinters]

32:30 hilarious that this guy literally reads that there'll be a new covenant, and he doesn't even understand what the covenant is.
"The law shall be written on their hearts", literally, that God will be in our hearts. Like, c'mon man. Then he, as so often Jews do, insults people of a small town.

[brattyyoung]

JESUS SAID I DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW, BUT TO FULLFILL IT...❤❤❤HE SAID BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, "" I AM""❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ HE SAID TO ISREAL, YOU WILL NOT SEE ME AGAIN, UNTIL YOU CRY OUT, "" BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD...WHEN ALL OF ISREAL CRYS OUT TO THE LORD, THEN HE WILL COME BACK...❤❤❤

[johnmarlow]

MESSIAH SHALL BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT BY HIS OWN BUT FOR THE SAKE OF ALL MANKIND. FATHER GOD, THANK YOU FOR THE MOST VALUABLE GIFT YOU EVER ONLY BEGOTTEN SON YESHUA

[robertcook]

The impression that I'm getting the rabbi has a stony heart and that the word is not written on his heart
He's coming from a place of rage

[kimc]

Dr. Brown is Exactly right about the coupling of "israel/Judah" ....when studying Isiah 40-55 every time Israel/Judah are coupled in the very next line, it is perfectly clear that the nation of the Jews are being referenced. When this couplet is not present....in Isaiah 42, and 52-55 it is clear the Righteous Servant is referenced Just examine Isaiah 49:6 "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth." When the couplet i present the couplet is referencing the Jews and in 49:6 the distinction is perfectly clear...God is sending Servant Messiah to raise the Jews plus Servant Messiah is being sent to bring salvation to the Gentiles. In Isaiah 53 we see his sacrificial death. No couplet.

[RevenantTheLamb]

You can feel the rage in his voice... So strange.😕 Pray for the rabbi.🙏

[leevillarruel]

Hmmmm. Why was their animal sacrifice? Hasn't the Tanach proven that we, both gentile and Jew, are unable to obey all the commands and covenants; because, we are fallen, sinful.

[n.c.]

Darn it. Wish I watched the full thing before this.

Loved this teaser of it.

[hermanwooster]

A great debate. I was disappointed how the rabbi thought Christianity opposed the Law. His hostility also made his case weaker. I suspect he had a low view of Christianity and wanted to stress separation from Judaism.

[pikebishop]

A person can't keep all of the commandments. Observe the lives of Sampson, David, Saul, Solomon, Lot, Noah. Failing to keep the commandments is sin. Who pays the price for sin? The Bible is not complete until the Book of Revelation. Malachi has no ending. Keeping Kosher does not change the heart.

You have to keep the law, but a faithful heart will produce good works.

James says faith without works is dead. However, faith is central.

What about Genesis 3?

[miltrold]

The thing he doesn’t understand that no human can keep the law 100%.. by believing in Christ is when we can have a heart for God.. was Abraham saved by the law like Paul asked ?No cause there was no law but his believe in God was counted as righteousness.

[leevillarruel]

Most rabbis will admit that it is impossible to keep every single one of the 600+ laws every day.

[leeroyjenkins]

Look at what we did to him. Defining the crucifixion as a laughable moment of orthodox pride, I'm sure this Rabbi is perfectly upholding the commandments 44:35.

[moefoe]

HI,
I love Dr. Brown and have all his books. But here, he is not addressing the arguments of the rabbi - "there is no need for a Messiah because all you have to do is do God's "commandments" to be declared righteous". (Cites Daniel and the Babyloninan captivity). At first I was excited when he started to bring in the idea of the sacrificial system, a necessity because (1) they're explicitly commanded by God, and (2) they actually do something to correct man's relationship with God e.g. atonement), and I know there are many more. The rabbi dismisses the destruction of the temple and the OT sacrifices as almost inconsequential, because a Jew can still get right with God apart from it.
For example, the Yom Kippur carries a direct threat of death for any Jew who refuses to observe it, which cannot be done without a standing priesthood, thats why they have Kol Nidrei today and only the shankbone of a lamb.
The rabbis of the day lamented that the temple was destroyed and the Messiah has not come, and some of them actually started to believe that the Tanach failed and therefore God failed. They clearly thought that the OT anticipated the Messiah, but Dr. Brown did not confront Rebbe Freitag on this.
A "dead" Israel in diaspora because of personal and national sins as pictured on the resurrection of the Dry Bones surely cannot come from the "righteous act" of that dead owner of those bones being in exile for rebellion, it has to be an act of grace, since dead man is incapable of good works, (which the rabbi advances as the only way of being right with God). I guess, without the prescribed sacrificial system, what else do you have?
Israel cannot be the "messiah" or you would have a case of someone waiting for himself - why wait for the Messiah if you were that messiah all along, as many Jews claim, not to mention failing to measure up to the standards that separates the Messiah from all other sinful beings, i.e. a "messiah" (Israel) that was exiled because of idolatry and spiritual adultery.
I cheer for Israel as our spiritual bikkur since their fall was our grafting into thier salvation (olive tree) and their redemption/teshuvah will spell even greater blessings for us goyim.

So, Dr. Brown ... can you please show first why there is a need for a Messiah at all using only what the Jews would accept as proof - the Tanach. I seem to think that many people failed to see the force of the rabbi's arguments.
Thanks, and God bless you.

[GeekRights]

If God wanted us to do EXACTLY as he asks, why didn't he just create robots instead? Why ask us fumbling, bumbling humans to be automatons? To me, it makes more sense that God is trying to mold his creation/children into his characteristics. Rote memorizations and behaviors are just that. It doesn't change our hearts. Jesus said it best in Matthew 5:21-22 "You have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not murder’ and ‘Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment." Rabbi Freitag, it is not enough to just follow commandments. We must know the REASON as well. It is an issue of the heart.

[SOCKSofIRONFIST]

not gonna lie to you, the last thing I expected to hear during a debate with two jews is "jet fuel doesn't melt the steel beams"

[johnturk]

Peace in this world and the next can only be received by accepting The infinite Messiah who died so that we may have eternal life, because His love for you is unlike any in this world.

[mikeyant]

A Gentile Looks at Isaiah 53.


From a Gentiles perspective, Isaiah 53 really looks fulfilled in Jesus Christ. 53 is not about the nations acknowledging a misunderstanding about Israel...it better fits the Isaiah Servant narrative, of God's promise of worldwide salvation to the Gentiles. Chap 42 starts with the Servant bringing salvation to the Gentiles. 49 talks about the Servant bringing salvation to the Gentiles. 52 ends with the Gentiles being surprised at this Servants suffering, and 53 explains the purpose of His suffering being an almah, a guilt offering that atones for our sins, and brings forgiveness and righteousness to us. 55 identifies the One Who brings this salvation to the Gentiles as Messiah, and tells us Gentiles to repent and seek the Lord, and we will be forgiven.

If I didn't know one word of the New Testament, I would recognize this theme as being obviously fulfilled in history, the rise of Christianity, started by the crucifixion of Jesus Christ for our sins, His resurrection, and the viral expansion of the Church.