Jordan Peterson: What We Can Learn From Socrates

As well as his book: 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos

[darrynmurphy]

Jordan Peterson: Keep a tidy room
Plato: Only through philosophy can we perceive what is the true form of the room
Aristotle: What is we mean by 'tidy'? What is we mean by 'room'?
Diogenes: What room?

[AlejandroSanchez-zbbk]

The Good Place's finale tackles the question Dr. Peterson begs at the very end

[KostasKolias]

To the best of my knowledge daemon (δαίμων, god/demon/soul) and demos (δήμος, public/people/municipality) do not share the same root and they do not mean the same thing as mentioned in the video. Interesting discussion regardless.

[AnubizCoyote]

Socrates subconscious mind ruled his conscious mind.

[RustinChole]

I don’t agree with everything the guy says, but man this is a fascinating examination.

[philliprichard]

Everything we know about Socrates teachings is through his students, he didn't publish any works as far as the historical record is concerned.

[chrismcnichol]

A little disappointed is Peterson, he got some things wrong and had a very simplistic analysis of the reasoning behind why Socrates did not flee the state. Still love Jordan though

[bruceli]

This video could be summed up as having lived a "good fulfilling life"
Don't we all wish for that.

[gillisleighola]

🪶Please don’t be too intrigued by mortality. Please eat a more balanced diet and stick around for as long as you can, I listen to your wisdom every single day and it totally and utterly resonates with me. I think I need you…be kind to yourself and not too strict…💞

[shonuff]

Socrates practised death his whole life. He says that this is what a Philosopher does. Practices separating the soul from the body. The daemon thing is simply an analogy to him being of One Mind. Operating as a Oneness, a Whole whose parts are working in unity perfectly, which is Justice...To put it in a Taoist way this would be wu wei. Effortless Being.

[curiositycloset]

It's funny because he read the same books as me

[jamesubong]

A well detailed explanation of Socrates' Philosophy...but I think he failed to dive deep at what Socrates meant by in his(Dr. Peterson's) language "Damon"...that Damon voice was fundamentally of always, striving to do what's "JUST"...
Well... we're not ready for that long conversation...cuz the way I see to further dissect that argument: that school of thought, that way of life, that belief....it inevitably lands at JESUS CHRIST...THE TRUTH...

[travishaynes]

Yeah your demon is always right !! If you're like me you gotta pay close attention because there's more than one. The right one always speaks first though. The second or third one will get you f'd up !!

[sueblood]

The Daughter of a "Great Man" will always be just a Daughter and her great love a mere footnote.
She does not have rings of glory surrounding her death, which is just the slow inexorable progress of her subordinate life.
She dare not even raise the Spector of Suicide. Some sort of Fireworks she is not permi5ted to take part in.

How many Daughters know their fathers better than anyone - but solid nothing,

[sueblood]

Wow. Just when I was "learning" from Peterson & appreciating him again ( somewhat ANGRY at him for becoming a mere drug addict for years while pretending he was not. Some of the "cutting edge" thinkers at least ADMIT to their brilliance having below average mortal coil).
Peterson's apparent adulation of Socrates goes against almost EVERYTHING he preaches.
I have had limited "exposure" to Socrates.
1) In elementary school he was put forth as a "great thinker" of such great integrity that he willingly drank poisen - perhaps to expose the "evils" of the State? And what kind of State was Greece at that time?
It was a State of Debauchery and not much is ever said about it's demise.
Just the supposedly great ideas espoused by drunkards to justify their drunkenous remain.
A morsel sweet on the lips but sour in the stomach.
2). I was EXCEPTIONALLY BLESSED by 2 wonderful loving parents who complimented each other.
My Father, a Mechanical Engineer, my Mother - a very intelligent woman and taken by religion - his biggest fan. As a CHILD in my Parents home there was zero chance of putting my parents against each other.
My Mother was exceedingly quiet and I was shocked to learn as an indulged teenager of the 70$ that she did not believe in "equal pay for equal work"
As she took the "Biblical view" that the Man was the HEAD of the household. Therefore the man should earn more as it was his duty, responsibility (and great salve to the ego) to SUPPORT and PROTECT the family.
I can think of no other reasons to accept a "patriarch", unless you just admire bullies.
While I was off being a "free bird" I never spoke to Mom -;let alone Dad ( he gladly left philosophical issues to Mom) about Socrates.
I can think of very very few times I EVER saw my mother angry. The name of Socrates may have been one of the first. To suggest he was in anyway good seemed to be a sacrilegious belief.
She stated what she needed to state in about 2 short statements:. Basically that he was a POS that abandoned his family and was a drunkard sitting on a rock. Pretty much all true.
I will have to look at socratess "quotes"
As of now my Mom's opinion rules the day. She was smart, kind and slow to anger.
DOCTOR PETERSON needs to the cute quote _physician heal thyself.
The Greek Baths were notorious for prostitution under disguise of art. Don't think Athens fell because of military attacks of Sparta - but because of their own sensual inertia.
Is it not so ?
As long as we live in a patriarchy women needing to be "smart" will rule the rooster and not always need credit. Like their male counterparts they desire and attain POWER while disdainful of those who portray only the image of it.
The Greek Baths were also dens of homosexuality and pedophilia.
I cannot help but hear the modern ridiculous statement "it's all good"
To which I reply "no it's not"
What an absurdity that Dr Peterson sees much in Christendom : including authority granted him by shriveled gonads. He calls young males to speak and regain their power without shame. This is good in our crackpot world of western eunuchs.
But how ODD. In endorsing Socrates Peterson endorses Homosexuality which St Paul CLEARLY spoke against.
And not a word spoken about pedophile culture in both Greek Bathhouses or in the Popes Quarters.
🤔
Frankly I think Lesbian Culture is more often than not just a reaction to convoluted Patriarchal culture.
At least - as a woman - I have no sexual DESIRE for another woman.
So male testosterone levels are dropping. Perhaps this is a good thing?
I have great respect for Dr Peterson (and more than sufficient anger).
All Socrates did is take the easy way out . He really had little - if anything - to offer the world (he did not care for his children in ANY way and his only hope of ever being anyone was to pretend he was a martyr. Poor Socrates.
Give me a break. My Mom was right and Peterson proves he is not True to his Views.
A Father is to be Loved. And is only granted that authority due to his own love and PROVIDES at least a bowl of porridge for his children.
What did Socrates ever say someone else could not have said better?.
When I was mid age I had much compassion and desire to "save" the drug addicted. Within a few years I wanted to comfort their families and let the addicts go. .
Socrates & addicts make their own decisions every day. Suicide or "death by cop" is almost always a SELFISH one..Do not be deceived.
Dr Peterson is not being consistent and to my knowledge has not been questioned on this by one who is.
I admit to both drinking and being a woman this morning.
Dr Peterson is probably a good man - who like many others is completely hypocritical.

[strawberryego]

1:16 / 5:45

Yes. Words and meaning across time are a fascinating thing to truly explore.

This was great. I needed something on Socrates and my new guys didn’t have anything but then this popped up…

It’s been awhile—I haven’t been able to watch you, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, since you called Elon Musk remarkable and I just—

Could never see you as the same authority again.

Since—he is not remarkable.

Not at all.

[ertyiopas]

Wouldn’t it still be better that he fled and helped out more people?

[al]

This is an inaccurate analysis. While some points are correct, he commits multiple errors, demonstrating that his reading of the works are surface-level, with no rigorous analysis. If you’re truly interested in reading about this subject, Socrates Speeches can be found within Plato’s writings, specifically the Aplogy and Crito. For analysis, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philsophy is a good help.

[nenitaschmidt]

Did Socrates went to the east and learned democrasy or believing in just one god? I hear voices like ya nein doch stimmt and the voice is saying my room is dirty. I don't listen to demons voice so I don't tidy my room that often hahaha. They also say zurück and I say NE!