Pipewire & Wayland - A True Nightmare For Creators

Pipewire & Wayland - A True Nightmare For Creators

Just a short video covering my experience with both Pipewire and Wayland. They both are great projects, but are they ready for primetime yet? You be the judge.

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[Steerable]

Pipewire and Wayland are the future of Linux. Keyword, "Future."

[elegantcastle]

Bruh Wayland + Nvidia propetary drivers is a nightmare for people that just want their computer to work, for some reason a few people say it works fine for them but I don't buy it, haven't had that many issues with pipewire though.

[presentarmsonlinux]

Although Wayland has been around for a while, it's not even close to X11 in feature set, and most people don't use it properly anyway and yet, Wayland still has a way to go, Pipewire is relatively new, so it isn't really ready yet, however distros are using these as defaults and they wonder why some are now getting a bad reputation, especially to new users to linux who have only heard how stable and rock solid Linux is compared to Windows. They'll install a distro with the previously mentioned audio and video and then that leaves them with a bad impression when things go wrong. By rights things like Wayland and Pipewire should be in the experimental or test sections of their repositories, with a note to say enabling the section can ruin your day. Just my opinion on the subject. I understand that both projects need users to use the software, but it should never be default, that's just the distro's in question trying one up man ship against another and it's stupid beyond belief.

[HuskyOffset]

The problem isn't the waveform display, if you watch closely starting around 03:45 when you play that audio, you'll notice that one of the two audio channels doesn't drop down to low levels when you're not talking like the other one does. That is, there is something in that channel, like a buzz or something (I couldn't tell even when I turned the audio up, maybe it is a low-frequency hum or something.) That's why the waveform is just a continuous blob, there is actually audio there causing it. The second clip you drop in and play doesn't have that problem. I guess I would investigate the source of that audio contamination (might be Pipewire, might not).

[CallibanMcGee]

See, this is the content I need. I'm not a creator so I'd maybe never have known about this unless you covered it Troy. I've been distro hopping for a while because I'm looking for that "perfect" distro and, to be honest, it's fun, and I haven't seen a distro dev yet put this information out in the lead-up to their project. To be expected, I guess, because if a dev IS using Pipewire and Wayland they sure don't want to emphasize any negatives. But that doesn't help us, does it?

I mean, what if I settled on a distro with this stuff (because it IS being hyped as GOOD TO HAVE), got everything just like I want it, and then decided to become a YouTube creator? I'd be pissed, that's what, when my audio sounded like it was coming from out of a chocolate waterfall and my computer was locking up every time I did some special maneuver.

Thank you Troy!

[israeltandrade]

Musician and Audio Professional here! Pipewire gave me nightmares too. I give online classes and use google-meet, obs, jack and other apps with no problem at all WHEN I use pulseaudio. Tried pipewire and, for no reason, every 10 minutes more or less, the google-meet audio was completely goone! There was a meeting with 10 people, very important to me, that was praccally impossible to run. Very embarassing...
Unfa, that in my understanding, is the highest authority on linux audio here on Youtube agrees with this too, pipewire needs some work.

[MrTomro]

This is what Linux needs if it wants to improve. If Linux wants to ever get popular in desktop, issues like these need to be fixed asap. An average user is gonna try to edit a video or share his screen, it won't work work because of pipewire / wayland and simply switches back to Windows.

[RantOfTheDay]

Currently I am using Pipewire and Wayland and yes it has plenty of shortcomings, i.e. screensharing in MS-teams (when not in browser), slack, zoom (when on a non-supported distro) etc.
Audio/Video editing only with workarounds.
Streaming also not 100% there yet.
Pipewire and Wayland are blazing fast but just not there YET.
I'd say its basically in alpha-stage at this point. And usually its not recommendable to use alpha-software in production.

Just my 2 cents.

[computerfan]

From a user standpoint, I fully agree. From a developer standpoint, it is a chicken and egg problem: what is first features and support or users? Wayland has been in development for years and only now are most developers actually moving too it and fixing bugs because it is actually being used. I do agree that it is a bit early for Pipewire though.

[mdintisar]

You are right. Pipewire and Wayland will surely be great in the future but not at this moment. I have been using both and didn't find any major issue with them. I use kdenlive to edit videos and my sound doesn't show any issue. Also I find that my audio soundwaves have pretty ups and down. This problem you are facing with pipewire can be hardware specific though. Other than Zoom Screen Sharing I didn't find any major problem with wayland. I use Gnome with wayland and it works great. Wayland has a long a way to go to be acceptable as the only default replacing x11. Other than that average users will not face any major issue if they use the latest Gnome with wayland and pipewire. KDE is still not there yet right now. That is my experience with Manjaro KDE, Manjaro Gnome and Arch Linux with Gnome.

[mkrleza]

I've never used Wayland, not for any particular reason, just that the distros I've used all had Xorg as default. As for PipeWire, I am not a content creator, so again, I have no experience. But, you might recall that I mentioned a distinct improvement in audio a couple of videos ago. At that time I had no idea that it was PipeWire issue. So, yes, it is very noticable.

[shizuvoice]

Been using Pipewire for over 6 months, I never had any problems after transitioning from PulseAudio. No problem with my online class, OBS, and video editing.

Wayland on the other hand... (stares in NVIDIA GPU)

[byMene]

Wayland won't even let me launch discord, and as a music maker i can't even bother to tinker pipewire since jack just works

[vaxryy]

I know I'm a bit late, but I have been using wayland and pipewire for like 4-5 months right now, and creating content, and for the audio problem - how are you recording the audio? I've never seen this with both OBS and Audacity. For the lockup - really weird indeed. I don't know if it's similiar, but I've also had minor issues with VMs on Wayland. It might be due to me using a pretty early-development compositor, but whenever I stop (shut down) a QEMU KVM machine i get thrown into a different tty. The machine doesn't lock up, I just have to go back to my TTY1.

[KangJangkrik]

Competing softwares: 12
"That's too diverse, let's create a new one to unite them!"
"Agree! let's do this"
Competing softwares: 13

[sunnisun]

I think the pipwire problem with the waveforms is because sound normalization is active. You could try it with it disabled. You can configure it in the config

[ericjohnson]

I personally love both pipewire and wayland, but I still have had issues both. They’re both worthy projects that need time!

[SpaceEndeavour]

It is a bit hard to diagnose issues over a YouTube video but did you make sure to install pipewire-pulse pipewire-alsa and pipewire-jack?

[TheRealFrankWizza]

Fyi, I had a second manjaro installation on a laptop with just an intel cpu and igpu. There is still no wayland sessions, and it's still on pulse audio. I thought maybe I didn't have this on my other laptop because of nvidia, but nope.

[Rhmbus]

If there is anything consistent with linux is use case of software. What works for someone won't work for everyone. I love Pipewire and use it on my main machine, due to no content creation needs. But man, yeah for you this makes absolute sense. I can't wait for further development on pipewire, because it has potential to be so good!