Which Cymbals RECORD Better? [Zildjian A's vs K's]

Which of these two favorite cymbal lines actually records better? The classic Zildjian A’s, or the darker, thinner Zildjian K’s? Now that’s a bit of a loaded question, because we know that recording situations vary from one another. Different styles of music demand different sounds, not to mention individual tastes vary between drummers. But looking at these two cymbal lines objectively… What are the actual differences?…and which cymbals are really the “better” cymbals that YOU should invest in? Cymbal choice can become a very extensive topic, all dependent on your personal taste and musical style. There are so many options out there that cymbal shopping can feel overwhelming. Hopefully the comparison today between the two main categories of cymbals will help you discover what your ear prefers, and you can continue your own research from there. Whether you’re looking for cymbals that will cut through a bright, dense mix, or you need something a little more mellow and dark, today’s comparison should help you hear the real differences between a bright cymbal and a dark cymbal. Whether or not we truly discover the best sounding cymbal out there, I don’t know! But I will demonstrate some of my favorites.

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[ricmmatias]

I've had this struggle for years, A's or K's, among others.
Not easy to sum this up, but here is the big picture I've learned:
- smaller stages (bars, small venues, etc): use lighter, darker cymbals, such as K's, to balance the sound and the whole strength applied on the kit. You don't want to apply different strength of hands in case, for ex., one is ridding and the other hitting the snare.
- bigger outdoor stages you should use brighter cymbals, especially in more intense performances. An example, I just looove my 17 and 18 K Custom Special Dry, but when playing rock on a big stage, not good. Remember, you get a lot of acoustic pressure from the kit itself, not just through in-ear ou amplified monitoring, and when you are hitting hard and sound seems to "vanish" quickly, you need brighter and more sustainable cymbals. On big stages, the A's are better suited (HH new beats, 18 medium and 20 heavy ride), mixed with other brighter cymbals. Its so cool to be punching a ride in the chorus, hearing the sound opening up more and more, you start hitting even harder, it opens more and more, until you feel you are about to break the stick and the cymbal is still "is that all you've got?" :)
- for recording, use whatever you like, but keep in mind what you learned from this video and place the different cymbals where they will be hit nice and open while reaching the mics in a balanced volume all around.

[shadowseal]

I'd pick the A's every day. While the K's sound a little nicer on their own, when it comes time to put them in a mix, the A's just sit in a much nicer part of the frequency spectrum. Especially on things like the crash on the ride, you are getting close to starting to meddle in the upper frequencies of vocals, and the extreme high end of a distorted guitar. Because of this they are likely to get buried into the mix (which might be what you are going for on a session). The shift brighter just leaves the A's in an easier to work with situation. There is a reason why a lot of the cymbal sounds, on a lot of older pop songs, feature brighter cymbals, it just fits better in that context.

[bacobill]

K's all the way for over 30 years.. They have aged beautifully.. 20" Custom Dry Ride, two 16" Dark Crashes, and a K bottom cymbal on top of a Quick Beat (A) bottom.. It makes me smile with pride just writing about them.. Thanks as always for a great informative video.

[mrthundaboots]

I play K’s and I wouldn’t change a thing. I love how they explode then slowly mellow out...

[surfing]

I like the crash sound of the K's, quick and explosive with fast decay. I use Paiste 2002, has similar properties of decay. But really, I've seen drummers use mismatched cymbals to their advantage, and sound great. This comparison, the K's work for me.

[mattbennett]

Don't forget that the later A's are significantly thinner than the older line you are using here. I have an 18" A thin that sits perfectly between my 17 & 19 K thins. If anything, the A is thinner and opens up more readily. It's hard to categorise the lines these days as there is so much cross over. There's a lot of marketing going on with companies and there's nothing wrong with that, as it makes us feel good when we sit behind our favourite brands. It's good to be aware of it though. Really good thought prvoking video, thank you.

[BayouMaccabee]

Great video, great channel.

I use mostly K's myself...big fan, especially of the Constantinople series.

If you can somehow borrow some cymbals from the other top manufacturers as well, it would be really cool if you could do the same comparision with some of these:

Sabian (AAX vs. HHX)
Paiste (2002 vs. Dark Energy)
Bosphorus (Traditional vs. Master)
Dream (Dark Matter vs. Bliss)
Istanbul Agop (Traditional vs. Agop Signature)
Meinl (Byzance Dark vs. Byzance Traditional)

Or don't...either way I'll still watch and like your channel.

[landerpridgen]

the A Sweet Ride is one of the greatest cymbals ever created

[mikemike]

I like them both but I prefer the A's just my personal preference

[boomerguy]

Even within the same style, the difference in weight/thickness makes a difference. For instance, my 18" A Medium Crash sounds different from my 18" A Medium-Thin Crash - much more than you would think. A little extra detail in WHICH thickness you are using in all of them would help.

[fazotakeiteasy]

I use a combination of all of them - traditional A's, Custom A's, K's and other types as well. You can't just be a fan of one type... each brand and model presents unique sounds. At the end of the day as long as you play well ... thats all that matters!

[leea]

I think personally there’s a big difference even between the normal K line and the K Customs, which you showed here. I personally own the regular 14” K hats and 20” ride and prefer those to the K Customs, but I also understand it’s all a personal preference. It might have been worth noting that these aren’t regular Ks so some viewers don’t get confused.

[Rscanlon]

Idk I’m thinking A Hi-hat, A ride but K crashes

[Yaboroqe]

Well done! I would say : the K ‘s I would play on a weekend, the A’s during the week.

[ograin]

My reason for choosing the KCD series was the same as yours, particularly the crashes. After listening to every line I could find, this was the one (excluding extra dry cymbals of course) with NO unpleasant high overtones. Many cymbals record nicely but these sound incredible in an acoustic setting too.

[Brosenbrose]

I would love to see a vid comparing Ks with A Customs. I've had a full set of A Customs (14" Fast Crash, 15" Projection Hats, 17" Crash, 18" EFX Crash, 20" Projection Crash, 22" Medium Ride) for years and am interested in adding some Ks to my collection.

[scottshields]

Definitely an interesting video. As a recording engineer, something that a whole lot of people don't think about is swapping out mics to change how things like cymbals sound in a mix. For example, if someone comes in and they have really bright cymbals, I might use something like a pair of Audix ADX51's to dull them up a little bit. If they're too dark, I'll reach for some AKG 451's because they typically have a much brighter sound. If they're sounding fine and I want a neutral mic, I'll reach for some Lewitt LCT 340's.

[lylaznboi]

For me personally, A's are good for live situations while K's are best used for recordings. Brighter cymbals are a bit of a hassle when it comes to EQing because it has so many spikey frequencies that you have to get rid of while darker cymbals can sound great after a few EQ moves. K's are also great for bar shows or jazz shows. A's probably sound better when you're actually playing at a venue. Although, one of my favorite rides is the Sweet Ride. I do want to eventually invest in possibly a K Light Ride or a Constantinople Ride for the rock stuff I do.

[ryebread]

They’re both two of my favorite line of cymbals. I prefer all of the K’s, excluding the new beats. I love those hats!

[Rustyjamesman]

Ks will always be my favorite, I love the crisp warm darkness they give off, especially 18in crash and their hihats