The Irony of Karl Marx #shorts

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[thepotatogod]

You just proved you didn't understand a thing Marx said.

[michaelking]

And what's even crazier is that people still think he was right.

[rwilliams]

Unions were an enormous help in raising the standard of living and working conditions

[bl]

Not a Marxist or a leftist here... Marx didnt claim that the poor were not oppressed in pre-capitalist societies. He argued that the unequal distributon of excess wealth and poor living conditions despite this wealth would motivate class warfare. Marx actually supported capitalism as the path to communism since he did not think that a sufficient level of industrialization to support commumism could be achieved without capitalism generating it first.

Improved worker conditions can largely be explained by organized labor (motivated by Marxism) and the decision of several Marxist groups across Europe to represent labor within a liberal democratic system. Marx himself did not anticipate that the capitalist class would make such concessions.

[erikgraph]

Actually try to read Marx. For him all class societies are oppressive, capitalism is just one class dynamic. The greatest evil of capitalism for Marx is not that the working class is “poor” but is alienation, which is the psychological reality of the worker under capitalism.

[alexam]

You don't know what you are talking about.

[logangomes]

this the same dude that said the Roman Empire was socialist?

[GreenGiant]

There's a lot wrong in this short video but let's go over the highlights. 1) Nobody said poverty or class oppression were unique to capitalism, least of all Marx. The creation of technology which increases efficiency is the progressive role of capitalism in Marx's theory. 2) Despite this NOBODY wanted to be proletarianized and it cannot be overstated how brutal industrialization was. This video skips over hundreds of years of labour militancy which won basic legal protections. 3) The unmentioned elephant in the room of colonialism looms large over this entire video and accounts for much of the 19th century turmoil you skip over.

[HT-lrrs]

This is the most stupid thing i've heard, Marx thought capitalism was liberating for merchent classes and progress. But he also thought further progress could be made.

Do your research silly.

[idontknowlololol]

He had never claimed that only capitalist societies were oppressive, actually he said that capitalism only came with a new system of production and not oppression. It was there since the societies split into classes

[vnontzg]

Well, Marx said, that feudalism or Asian production methods were oppression as well, not saying that capitalism and only capitalism is the worst of all. It just sounds ridiculous to compare more developed capitalism to agricultural traditional China in the 19th century

[xy-inventor]

To quote JP, “Marxists don’t care for the poor, they just hate the rich”

[PizzaChess]

Remember, Marx said Communism was supposed to occur when Capitalism was at its peak, not before that. Yet another proof that you simply don't understand Marx very well.

[damagedcortex]

Bro you realize Marx thought capitalism was great for overthrowing feudalism right

[program]

It's actually really interesting. It's trendy to go on about how bad things were for working people during this part of the industrial revolution, often with references to child labor, low pay, and horrifying working conditions.

What this totally misses is the fact that, while it's all true, things were actually getting better for the common man at an incredible and historically unprecedented pace. In many cases the "capitalists" and the workers were actually on the same side, as workers were much better off than their parents, and saw significant improvement within their own lifetime.

Modern people, except for Gen Z, take improvement in living standards with each generation for granted. The fact is however, that for most of human history until that point, people lived the same lives as their distant ancestors had.

[thevillager]

I won’t disagree in that living standards increased, my issue is that it hasn’t continued increasing. We have lost the minimum vage to Inflation and our products, instead of being quality that lasts, are cheap rubbish. You also don’t see the effect consumerism has had on culture and ignore increasing rates of loneliness and depression.

[TheGeneralGrievous]

Bro, I'm far from being marxist but Marx definetly did not consider capitalism to be the worst economic system for the poor. He thought it was an advancement from feudalism and slavery, and it definetly aplied to China, India or Africa.

[danieleaquilanti]

Marx never said that Capitalism invented oppression? He even lauded the positive accomplishments of Capitalism in the first paragraphs of the Communist Manifesto. It's honestly sad to see someone being so overconfidently ignorant.

[noahjohnson]

He didn't say class oppression was distinct to Capitalist society, he simply stated that capitalism simplified the classes and made the poverty and class repression even more obvious

[roccovolpetti]

And why did living conditions improve? Hint: it Wasn’t out the bourgoise’s good will