Old Mac Pro Beats Apple Silicon???

Is there any scenario where the Mac Pro from 2013 can beat an M1, M2 or M3 Apple Silicon computer?

In this video, I compare the Mac Pro 6,1 with the M1 iMac, M3 MacBook Air, and throw in a couple of MacBook Pro models for good measure. The results might surprise you.

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[TechKerala]

Intel N100 is better than what's inside on this mac pro.

[whophd]

Supposed to go to bed … oh wait, 2013 Mac Pro new video is up

[dahlia]

I have one with the factory 12 core cpu and d700s and it beats my m1 mini in cinebench r23 multicore. I also use it for a room heater in the winter.

[jimtaylor]

I picked up an 8 core, 64GB, 512GB SSD D500 Mac Pro 6, 1 back in about April for the princely sum of £250. I wiped it, and installed Sonoma with OpenCore and it's been my daily driver since and has been perfect. Honestly I think it's the best £250 I ever spent. My only beef with it is the WiFi signal strength is pretty feeble.. it works well enough but compared to my PC which sits next to it, the wifi performance is woeful. If I could just solve that..

[zackerymcpherson]

I’m happy about this information. I felt bad for having so many machines that I bought used on marketplace. I have a m1 mba as my daily laptop for work, a 2018 i5 6 core Mac mini with 32 GB of ram, a 2013 macpro 12 core and 128Gb a ram, added 4TB ssd. The macpro was originally a server but the power usage was too high, so I retired it to family photo duties due to performance and capacity. It downloads all of my iCloud Photos to archive and handles iPhone and iPad backups when I’m changing devices.

My m1 MacBook was having ram issues so I bought the 2018 Mac mini for $100 and upgraded the ram so I could leave 30 chrome tabs open without feeling guilty about it.

These extra machines will prevent me from having to replace my 8gb/256gb laptop since they compensate for my ram and storage issues LOL.

[GG-wsgc]

Very cool. Picked up one as well. 8core D700s, made in 2017. Adjusted fan curve, overclocked to 950mhz and use it as a theatre gaming PC. Thanks for your cpu and GPU analysis video. Great to see a enthusiast community form around these older machines.

[seanrosedotcom]

Watched a lot of your videos now and they are great! Found the channel from the 2013 Mac Pro CPU swap video... helped me swap mine with 0 problems! Thanks!

[duffinjp]

I have a 6800xt egpu rigged to it. The metal scores and performance is still decent and ahead of most AS

[bryans]

I had one of the 2013 Pros - what a beautiful device. I enjoyed using it and upgrading it. I hated to sell it when the M series Macs arrived, but I saw the writing on the wall.

[tomdfrog]

I work happily on my 2013 MacPro. Not a lot of video work. Mostly Illustrator. Opted for 10-core 3.0ghz and D500. Went D500 as the D700 had the higher failure rates for the series. And, as a graphics professional, the 2013 MacPro earns my love by being able to drive MANY displays! I have three 27" displays connected (2560x1440) as well as a 43" 4k TV I plug in when needed. Try and do all that on an M-Series Mini or Laptop. Work is going to make me get a laptop soon. Gonna have to be a Max machine so I can have my triple displays. I wanted a Studio, but they are not travel friendly.

I have said this before, for my users using Apple Silicon Macs...they really only feel faster in the finder. Working in Creative Cloud, browsers, Office...etc, they do not feel appreciably zippier. All these speed analysis videos focus on videos production. Apparently modern Apple users are 99% Video production work.

[artysanmobile]

I travel a very high-spec Pro Tools system around the world in my business as a remote recording specialist. My little can cut 35lbs from my flight pack, is silent in operation, has 6 ThunderBolt and 4 USB 3.2. The ports are very meaningful to my use. It natively boots 5 macOS versions meaning any software I might want to try will work. My large Explorer case previously needed an additional case for peripherals. With the 6, 1 all CPU related including display and Fostex digital reference speakers easily pack into a single much lighter case. When traveling, that is everything.

[TonyCR]

I bought a refurbished one made in 2016, thanks for the video which explains the years pal!

[peterscheepers]

Again a great video about my favorite machine, keep this series going😊

[ExpressoMechanicTV]

An interesting and very surprising set of results!

[MeinDeutschkurs]

Just the latest iPhone SoC was missing. 😁 We discussed this in past. But there is no finalCut nor BMD disk analysis, so comparisons are hard.

[chrisdunderdale]

Great video - love my 2013 Mac Pro! Just out of interest, which screen are you using with it?

[daveh]

Cheers Dave, another interesting one. There is a real disconnect between people's spec/benchmark-fuelled assumptions of system performance and the actual system performance. For these tests there are a few things to consider:
Using most RAW (or any non-media engine supported) formats pushes us back to brute-force compute i.e. CPU+GPU. The Mx CPUs only have 4 performance cores with a mobile TDP/enclosure so will still struggle against 8 performance cores in a desktop TDP/enclosure. They also have weaker GPUs, each D700 has 3.5TFLOPS (FP32) and the M1 has 2.6TFLOPS (FP32) with GB6 compute at 33K & 31K respectively - but that's only half the (precision) story.
Firstly, Apple (wrongly) bet on multi-GPU FP64/double-precision compute and the FirePro D700s have a ton of it (2x 870GFLOPS vs the RTX4090's 1x 1200GFLOPS) but here it serves Mac users well.
Secondly, BlackMagic invested in AMD GPU compute for BRAW. Remember, they released their own Vega 56 eGPU box so the software optimisations are there.
If you look for a load of other FP64-optimised compute workloads - your Mac Pro will fly. It's a real shame Adobe never really came to the Metal/FP64 party or Nvidia would have lost the 2D pro market as the GTX980Ti only had 187GFLOPS FP64.

[mamumonkan]

what specs are you using ? how many cores

[MacSoundSolutions]

What OS version are you running on the 6, 1?

[RocktCityTim]

Why do I still use 2013 Canisters? Because I own 3 and they still work very well.