Timeline of Dishonor: How the Starks Betrayed Rhaenyra

Here is it, a new theory video. This took way too much effort. In the end, its long and technical and perhaps unwatchable, but shows how the Starks are the real villains of the Dance of the Dragons.

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Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created for HBO by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. Based on the fantasy novel series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin. A Game of Thrones is one of the most successful television series to ever made and continues to captivate audiences all over the world. The series is set on the fictional continents of Westeros and Essos, and interweaves several plot lines with a large ensemble cast. The first narrative arc follows a civil war among several noble houses for the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms; the second covers the attempts to reclaim the throne by the exiled last scion of the realm's deposed ruling dynasty; the third chronicles the rising threat of the impending winter and the legendary creatures and fierce peoples of the North.
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[cheangizzz]

It's hilarious how Cregan was so obviously late and acted all pissed off at Tullys for celebrating, called them pups when it was actually the riverlanders who did all the fighting for Rhaenyra.

[VantolStark]

Stormlanders were procrastinating aswell, Boros Baratheon only marched after Rhaenyra's death. It looks like they all were afraid to face dragons in battle.

[manband]

Cregan honestly is a genius for how he handled the North's involvement in the war.
He kept his people out of the fighting for as long as possible, let his enemies destroy themselves, and swooped in to finish the war and prosecute his "enemies" after the fighting was over. And what could the survivors do? Criticize him for being late? Corlys defected and took a pardon after Rhaenyra died, Lady Arryn was late, most of Rhaenyra's supporters were dead or severely undermanned, and all the perpetrators of Aegon II's faction were either dead or now imprisoned.
Cregan held all the cards, put on a grand display of "justice" to show how "committed" he was to Rhaenyra that just happened to distract the world from the fact that he took two years to make a 4 month trip, and then went home as the noble hero.

S-tier leadership. No notes.

[zacrusk]

I missed these old school theories!! Great stuff Preston!

[TheGreendragon]

"I'm gathering my troops." Aka "the check is in the mail." 😂

[roland]

The intro reminds me of your old videos
So nostalgic

[Mj_Jetson]

I do hope that HotD adapts it this way. Could be a lot of fun toying with people's expectations of the Freys versus the Starks, to have the Late Lord Frey's predecessors move extremely quickly and put in 110% effort to help Rhaenyra, while the Starks dither and stall (not that I'd blame them - for once their geography helps them out; they don't have to deal with the rock and hard place that trap poor Rosby and Stokeworth)

[zachariusB]

Cregan was dealing with problems of his own. He'd just deposed his uncle, who'd basically kept him under house arrest for years, and doubtless had allies in the northern houses who Cregan couldn't fully trust. You only get the maester's version of what happened in those years, but the north was probably doing a little civil war of it's own.

[kimberlywebster]

“I’m probably wrong about half of this”—perhaps resurrected by one of those mysterious Hightowers nobody ever sees?

[carpeimodiem]

The Maesters: "pssst! Ayy Starks... hang back until the dragons all eat each other."

Starks: "What about the other houses? Won't we look weak?"

The Maesters: "Nah, homie! We're in every house. Same deal... Let them burn each other down first, riiiight?."

Starks: "Bet" 🤔

*And what a grand plot it was!!*

[tomhall]

Reminds me of Doran’s kimdissi philosophy in the deeper dorne series. The valyrian houses destroy themselves whilst Cregan Stark and Torrhen Manderly end up on top as hand of the king and regent.

[yidingliu]

I mean most of the honourabe Starks we met were either raised by Arryn or someone else raised by Arryn.

[najex]

I mean. . . I don't blame them. If you are faced with a guy with a dragon demanding you join them, can you really say no? You nod your head and then drag your feet. After all, what are the Blacks or the Greens to them? Why should they care about their family drama?

[QuinnTheGM]

Great work as always! It'll be interesting to see how things are portrayed in the show, I'm unsure if they'll be willing to even broach the idea of Starks being less than honorable.

[meredithsutton]

When I last read F&B, I definitely felt like something was off with the timing of the Northmen's arrival. Thank you for laying it all out!

[Ag-qrii]

We need more videos like this Preston’s going back to his roots ! Love it

[fitz]

The title of this video immediately made me think of the Empress Matilda fighting Stephen in Anglo-Norman history. King David of Scotland claimed to fight for Matilda's claim - but in fact just used that as a cover to try and better his own interests in England, conquer territory - and closen his ties with Northumbria. Something to keep in mind if George wrote TDOTD with Matilda and Stephen in mind!

[JohnTorres]

But the pact of ice and fire stated that Jacaerys’ first daughter would marry Cregan Stark’s son and heir Rickon. He dies in the first month of 130 ac. So that pact became null and void. Still, Cregan gathered up an army and sent them down to fight knowing he wasn’t getting anything out of the deal anymore. Also, the winter wolves were sent early and the Manderly’s sent knights while Cregan Stark got the whole north ready to fight. I’m sure they were in any hurry to fight dragons. But they still went even though they had already lost everything they were supposed to get out of this war.

[Khazzman]

Great video. People need to stop thinking of House Stark as "the house obsessed with honor". Ned was honorable (partly I think because of his upbringing in the Vale mixed with his trauma from the Rebellion). And this is partly what leads to House Stark's downfall. He let his honor stand before his political sense. And he was the exception. From what we've seen, most Stark lords were hardass pragmatists who did what was necessary to preserve the supremacy and survival of their house. Torrhen Stark bent the knee. Alaric played nice with Alysanne. Cregan Stark ensured he got to make the choices at the end of the Dance. And Rickard made in-roads to uniting the Lords Paramount against the madness of Aerys. And that isn't even taking into account all the horrible things the Kings of Winter did to ensure their rule over the North. Just ask all the exiled Blackwoods and the extinct Ambers, Greenwoods, and Frosts.

[DominionSorcerer]

Saying the Winter Wolves were an insignificant number really overlooks how small armies usually were for this time period, at the Battle at Rook's Rest and the Sack of Duskendale the entire Green army commanded by Criston Cole only numbered in the 3000s. At the Battle of the Honeywine they were the majority of the Black forces that we know of, with the Greens only having 8000 men for that battle. At the Butcher's Ball the Greens were less than 3600.