Jesus was a moral relativist #shorts

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Originally posted: 8/17/2022
Their actual god said morality is relative to you and me. How we want to be treated is the definition of morality. Jesus said that. Get mad at him. 😆

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Fundamentalists get so worked up about moral relativism. They're like if you don't have an absolute standard of right and wrong, then society, people, will degenerate into moral turpitude. They'll say things like, "How do you know right from wrong if there isn't a standard?" And I have an answer for them. For the sake of argument, I get my moral relativism from their God, Jesus Horatio Christ. Jesus was a moral relativist. He said, "Let me summarize the law and the prophets. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." That's relativism. In a situation, consider how you would want to be treated and treat people that way. That's relative to yourself from the very words of God on high.

That was fun to yell about for a second, made the cat get off my lap. Come along for more if you feel like it.

#ethics #morality #jesus #goldenrule #dountoothers #fundamentalism #christianity #exchristian #exfundie #exvangelical #reframe

Abraham Piper

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Allow me to add...the commandment to love your neighbor as you love yourself is similarly relative...and this now calls to mind the question put forth by Marcus Aurelius "How much time he saves who does not look to see what his neighbor says or does or thinks?"

mikemoreno

Had a lady say her kid was "living in sin against Jesus" I said, "Jesus probably cares more if they're kind to each other than if they have that certificate." Furrowed brows and crickets...

jenger

Just found your content and I'm floored you don't have more followers. Good stuff keep it coming

craneoflores

I was taught this principle from a very young age, even though I grew up in strictly atheistic household, and I never even knew Jesus said that.

Nnaiiro

Let’s look at the context, because I disagree with the assessment fully and I don’t even think it’s really debatable.

Matt. 22:36-40 (NIV)

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

As you can see, Jesus was answering a specific question: What is the greatest commandment? This was meant to trap him. The answer he gave comes from Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19, and there is no way you could interpret the Old Testament to teach relativism, but it also summarizes, as he says, the whole law. If you think about it, every single law in the Old Testament either serves the broader goal of loving God (the first half of the Ten Commandments and all of the sacrifice laws) or the broader goal of loving people (the rest of the Ten Commandments and all of the laws about how to treat other people). In other words, there is a certain way we have to love God and love our neighbor. That’s pretty objective. Even if we threw all of that to the side, Jesus tells us to love God with all of our heart, soul, and mind. To love means to will the good of the other, so loving God to this extent describes certainly is not “love God in whatever way you feel is right based on your own relative morality.” Similarly, to love one’s neighbor as oneself is not relative at all. This is because we all try to do good to ourselves, therefore we all have to do good to other people (if we do not do good to ourselves that is not love and therefore not relevant to the command). Then, the question becomes “what is good.” What does the Bible and Jesus say about that? Quite a lot, and it isn’t “do whatever you subjectively feel the right thing to do is.”

This video takes a very small quote from Jesus, with seemingly no thought or research put into its actual meaning (or deliberately misleading), misrepresents it, and then simply ignores every time Jesus mentions morality.

For example, and there are many, when Jesus is talking to the rich young man about morality and entering heaven in Matthew 19:17, he says this:

“And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."”

He then lists several commandments. Thus verse shows us a few things. First of all, only one being is truly good, and that is God, meaning there can’t be moral relativism because all are good in their own eyes. Second of all, Jesus gives a list of specific things in the next verse or two that are good, so clearly that is objective. After all, Jesus did not come to destroy the law, as he said himself, but to fulfill it.

Anyways, this video is not even close to a shred of truth.

jadongrifhorst

Let's ignore all the commandments....

edwardnygma

He also said love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

brianfarrell

The full quote from Jesus is “Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself”

kylestenger

My dad likes to call it ‘moral twerpitude’…

😂

Muskokagirl

Don’t forget the part where He says to not go against your conscience.

judethree

the cat deserves a treat for being inconvienienced. that’s what i would do

juliebeeem

I've just recently discovered your content and I find it wonderfully intellectually stimulating. Disclosure that I am a Christian and thought I may flesh out a clarification of sorts.
The purpose of an objective standard of morality isn't to control the masses, it's actually to show the impossibly high standard of morality that God expects because He is holy. This standard is summarised by Jesus in 2 commandments (Abraham has already mentioned the 2nd) but the greatest commandment is loving the Lord your God with [every fibre of your being in every moment] (my own paraphrase) which we not only don't do, but can't do. So the law isn't to keep us from being degenerates, it actually shows us that no human is perfect. Throughout history there was only 1 person who lived perfectly, because He wasn't just a man, and you've already kinda mentioned him (the Horatio reference flew over my head I apologise) but Jesus's death achieved this gnarly deal that in simplest terms if we place our trust (faith) that Jesus is the perfect son of God who died for us, we're able to transfer all our degeneracy onto the cross (where the price was paid for) and have his perfect life attributed as credit into our account.
And hey if you do that, and want to call the rest relativism, then I don't have any complaints.

lucasfindling

I believe that much of the strength that religion has and exerts upon its followers relies heavily on this concept. The religions that die out are the ones with hard fast rules and regimens as with changes in society and culture, also changes people's moral perceptions. The religions that are not arbitrary and relative do not exist anymore. That's why the Bible is so vague at times. That's why pastors and preachers get to interpret their particular religion with a good amount of freedom.

InnaciKorushka

You uh, you got a little worked up yourself there. Nice to see it's not just me.

NWPaul

Fair and honestly I'm vary close to the same beliefs as you, I think most If not all 10 commandments are good things to live by (I'm a atheist btw)

cyphero