Top Geek - The Wrath of Khan vs Into Darkness

The birth and death of Star Trek....

[DanielVance]

I feel so very sorry for those that have never seen WoK and think Kirk's death at the end of ID was a moving scene. My only problem with WoK is the removal of Khan's child from the final release.

[FPjr-filkferretproductions]

Excellent Sean, welcome to the channel. Really entertaining and well scripted.

[TheCosmicGenius]

Into Darkness also tosses in some bits from Star Trek III - namely the whole bit about Scotty working on the Excelsior.

[greenmonsterprod]

One other difference is that, in TWOK, Spock is dead. (If it were up to director Nicholas Meyer, he'd be DEAD dead.) The characters must deal with this. Kirk, in particular, must face both his grief and his newfound appreciation that he still has a life ahead of him. This continues into "Star Trek III", where Kirk risks his career and life in the slim hope Spock can be saved. We can see how this has affected everyone deeply, with every indication that it'll be that way from now on. However, in "Into Darkness", Kirk is dead and is all but magically revived within minutes. In the remake, there's no real emotional resonance.

[kenhayashida]

Hello, I was pointed to your video by another Star Trek fan. I've not seen any of the JJ-Trek films in the theatre. I've only seen them on the home screen. However, this was also true of Star Trek the Motion Picture and Wrath of Khan. Both films were aired on ABC Network TV as movie specials. If you look back at the Wiki's that my generation reads and that are on the two films, our introduction to Star Trek were these two films on ABC TV's Movie of the Week. Note that in 1982-1984, the only Star Trek on TV were Original Series episodes in Syndication. This is a stark comparison to 2009-2013 when literally hundreds of episodes of Star Trek were available for viewers. In the total picture of Star Trek and science fiction, there is no film with greater economic and cultural impact than Star Trek the Motion Picture (1979) directed by two-time Oscar winner Robert Wise and with epic scoring by Jerry Goldsmith. Goldsmith's music was so influential that it presents the themes and musical scoring motifs for the Enterprise, Spock, and Kirk. The theme for the Enterprise lasts throughout the entire run of TNG and the film fun for TOS and TNG crews. Star Trek the Motion Picture is one of the single most successful films in box office history. To state otherwise is to not understand the tremendous cultural and economic impact of having Star Trek on the big screen at Paramount while George Lucas was pioneering his Star Wars trilogy at 20th Century.

[KorAsek]

You forgot to mention that the entire story of Into Darkness is one giant continuity error on multiple levels. First, Khan and all his people should have already been dead. The movie starts off by clearly stating that the Federation's deep space exploration program (the same program that found Khan's ship in the original series) had been delayed by several years, so there shouldn't have even been any ships far out enough to even find Khan at all. On top of that, in the episode Space Seed, Scotty reported to Kirk that all the life support systems on Khan's ship were mere months away from complete failure, and given that the ship had been continuing to travel away from Earth, any delay would have meant everyone on board would be dead by the time they were found.

The other big screw up was the idea that Khan would be capable of designing weapons more advanced than what Starfleet already had. Setting aside that he's a man several centuries out of date, he was a military and political leader, and a tactician. While he may have had heightened intelligence, he had no background or education in any scientific fields beyond maybe a high school or early college level in his own time.

[antoniokastrocarlisledemel]

I'm a hardcore trekker and I've loved Star Trek for 30 yrs since i was 6 years old watching TOS and TNG and catching the original crew in their movies..i mention this in part to let it be known that I'm a old School trekker that doesn't let it tie me down from loving what's new as much or more as the old.. but Wrath Of Khan has always been overrated imo ..don't get me wrong i still love it but i don't love it near as much as most Trekkers ...Ricardo Montalbán was great in the role..even in Space Seed which is also overrated i mean Kirk beat the so called Superman with a plastic crank wtf??!!!??...but Ricardo was great and i don't blame him for that but I'm sorry he just ain't as cool or as menacing as Benedict and I'm not even counting all the badass superhuman shit Benedict's Khan was able to pull off since obviously the movies are 31 years apart but just the parts where Benedict is just talking like that scene with Spock dropping the shields for Khan to get his crew are just amazing and even though it took cues from Wrath of Khan the scene surpassed the original scene in every way and most parts of the movie that took from WoK are done better in Into Darkness imo..JJ lying about Khan was a little annoying but the way people were just losing their minds over it is ridiculous..it's business..who cares...i agree they kinda.overdid it with the references to Wrath of Khan especially the infamous KHAN!!!! ooh is just excruciating..i mean it wasn't great when Kirk did it either but Zachary Quinto was just terrible with that line which they most def should've left out but there's no denying this movie is better than Wrath of Khan imo and while it took a few views to grow on me it at times is my favorite trek movie though Trek 2009 overall is usually number 1 with both of them undeniably being my top 2...the effects are amazing but it's the acting that really makes me love this movie though it's disappointing that the whole crew doesn't get the moments they did in Trek 2009 but still everyone is great...Chris Pine in that scene where Pike is killed does such an amazing job crying it almost makes me want to cry when i watch it but the whole cast is outstanding with Peter Weller amazing as usual as the villain or co villain though really he's even worse than Khan in the way he was going to destroy the Enterprise without even flinching but damn did i love Khan tearing his face off even though we didn't get to see it.. Benedict makes Khan live up to being one of the greatest villains in Trek just watching him and his mastery over tech 260 yrs past his time shows how effortlessly him and his people would destroy all they deemed less though Spock's torpedo trick showed that hes not invincible or all knowing...ill stop here but this movie is amazing and it deserves far more credit than it gets..lastly though that whole Whitewashing bullshit was exactly that..bullshit...u never hear anything when a white character is cast black or Latino or Indian(flash in MCU Spiderman movies anyone?) etc so why all the fuss about Race when a non white character is played by a white actor?..it's ridiculous imo..oh and the carol Marcus underwear scene..yeah it's ridiculous as well but so is calling Into Darkness the death of Star Trek

[esausjudeannephew]

As soon as you said "Gentleman sausage" you made me kind of want to puke and I stopped watching