Nvidia RTX 4070 Has Mixed Reviews, Why?

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Everyone is WRONG About the Nvidia RTX 4070..

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[barrycooper]

4070 is really a 4060 and the 4070ti is what would have been a 4070. Nvidia are great scammers. AMD are in on it also. They could have charged a lot less for their 7000s and wiped the smile off of Jensons face. The deal between them is to keep gpu prices high.

[Mako]

As someone who has seen a lot in his life and been burned with low bram gpus, I can tell you that anything under 16 gbs in 2023 is either a ripoff or a low budget card, no matter how someone names or markets it

[gscurd]

Every subsequent card launch makes EVGA more and more happy they got out when they did.

[scroopynooperz]

70 class branding, 80 class pricing but with 60 class silicon in terms of die size and bus size...

Nvidia is basically applying the concept of shrinkflation to GPUs lol

[miaiguy]

tbh, after watching Linus' review, it just makes the RX 6800 XT look even better

[vidthrashtilldeath]

You are one of the first Youtubers that actually warned about the Vram issue, amazing.

[RasmusDyhrFrederiksen]

Lots of alternatives - RX 6800 or RX 6950...

[whiteglovepc]

Don’t forget the 6950 XT. Can find good AIB models right now for $610 to $650

[chrisv]

The 4070 FE is tiny and sips power. This will be a perfect fit for my mini ITX build. The 3080 is too power hungry (315w vs 185w) and its system crashing transient spikes are something to be concerned about when using a SFF PSU. The 4070 is basically a smaller much more power efficient 3080 with 2 extra GB of ram and DLSS 3.

A lot of people are concentrating on dollars per frame, but rarely do they mention watts per frame. Thats the HUGE generational improvement righ there. The Ada architecture is actually pretty amazing.

I care more about the end result rather than arguing about raw performance and if it's fair to include upscailing and "fake frames" in comparisons. IMO the 4070 will be very popular for a lot of ITX builders, especially for those that focus on the smaller end of cases. It's the most powerful card you can get with a power draw that's under 200w.

[CarlosDiaz-jebg]

How did we go from a 3080 being a 4k card to a 4070 with equal performance suddenly only being a 1440p card?

[crzyces]

I still think we are living in _"Steaming Hot Cup of Poopville"_ when it comes to GPU pricing. Used prices are a mess again which has me even more confused. You can get a full system with a 10700K, 24GB of ddr4 3200 tuned to 14-14-18-18-28... with a 2TB gen 3 NVME and a 12GB 3080 locally for $1K, but *EVERY* 12GB 3080 I can find is now back to at least $600 USD again with the 3080Ti's often being more than the 3090s that are available. Ebay prices are the same as they were a few weeks ago, which was the same as a couple of months ago, having the cards sit in the same $650-$750 area, which pretty much makes a new 4070 *IF* you can find one between $600 and $650 a much better option. Lol, but it isn't all that great of a card.

When you consider *EVERY* 70 class card Nvidia has *EVER* released was essentially the equivalent of their previous flagship model, whether that was an 80ti or 80 class card, whatever the top consumer card was (as long as it wasn't a dual die) the 700/70 series was last gen's top performer with, at worst, less VRAM, and at best, 33% *MORE.* This card should be being ridiculed just as much, if not more than it's Ti big brother, but because of these f'ing used prices still being way, way higher than they should be and AMD releasing overpriced products while ignoring the lower upper tier and middle performing GPU price points entirely, well here we are. An _eh_ 60 class card being sold for $600 bucks, *EXACTLY* like _*MLiD"_ said Nvidia was going to do within a couple of years (he said it in the early days of Ampere).

Hopefully AMD gets cards out soon, and more importantly, the used market has to drop, not go up which is apparently what the 4070 Ti and 4070 have caused their 12GB 80 class siblings to do because, well at htat price point a *LOT* of people want to play at 4K, and with the 3080 10GB often coming out ahead by a good margin at the higher resolution, even with 2GB less RAM, the 4070 is *_pft_* at best. If it had a larger BUS it would most likely be 3-5% ahead of the 3080 just like it is at 1080P and _most_ games at 1440P. Instead, it is just another below average product at a tolerable price, even if that price leaves a bad taste in your mouth and people just buy it because it is the best card they can possibly afford. I have a feeling that if they buy it for Raytracing they are going to be let down yet again though, as the 3070Ti probably did a better job with RT at launch than the 4070 will with games releasing this year without DLSS 3, which is fine for a handfull of games, but if you're only getting 20-30 FPS with DLSS turned on, the games still aren't playable _for me._ The input lag is just a bit too much, even in games where precision isn't key like The Witcher 3. Plague's Tale? Yes, if you don't have attack options or anything that relies on strict timing it works phenomenal. TellTale games! If TellTale puts it in their next game DLSS will be an incredible feature! In Harry Potter? No. Cyberpunk? Kinda, but I give CDPR most of the credit there as they really have made that game about as optimized as you can possibly get while still working on a boatload of different hardware.

TL;DR Again, another 60 class card masquerading as a higher tier product. And for anyone who says _"But Inflation, "_ compare the price of VRAM in 2020 and 2021 to VRAM in 2023. Compare the cost of a CPU cooler in 2022 to 2023. Compare the price of a 2021 Intel Motherboard to the price of a comparable board in 2023. Compare the price of a Zen 3 CPU vs a Zen 4. Here's a hint; everything is pretty much the same except VRAM which is down over 50%. Silicon may be up, but the die sizes are way down while yields are exceptional, so the _"Inflation"_ argument is a no go when you look at it objectively. Yes net profit is way down, but that's because they are holding at over 95% assets and have a ton invested in AI chips. GPU margin is over 63%, so again, this is not the cost to manufacture causing the increases. It is Nvidia attempting to normalize much higher price tiers. This is the big, big, big brother of the $269.99 GTX 1060 down to the BUS width. With inflation on that card and adding in an additional 6GB of VRAM we end up at...$357.69, which would probably give them the same 10% or so margin they had on that card. At $600 bucks, for card they make, I bet the margin is closer to 90%. Yuck. As stated, bad taste in my mouth. Bad taste.

[chrisbryan]

I'm gonna skip Nvidia's 4000 series. Maybe they can get it right next time; but I'm not gonna hold my

[glenyoung]

NVidia doesn’t care, their AI strategy is paying off big time.
For instance Elon Musk announced he’s buying 10, 000 GPUs (probably H100) through Twitter to harness generative A.I., Tom’s hardware has the story. CDW is selling the H100 for $30K USD each, assume a volume discount of 33% for Twitter, so Ngreedia just booked a $200 million hardware order for 10000 GPUs.
That’s equivalent to 125, 000 4090FEs.
Microsoft indicated they would be buying 20, 000 more GPUs, AWS and Oracle Cloud haven’t said what their upgrade plans are but no doubt their orders will be in the thousands of units as well.
If NVidia sells 50, 000 H100s over the next 2-3 years at $20K discounted that $1 billion in revenue.

Jensen Huang and Nvidia are skipping happily down the yellow brick(gold) road.
‘Gamers? What have they ever done for us?’

Their treatment of AIBs and EVGA’s departure tells you all you need to know about where NV’s mindset is at and it isn’t with gamers.

[stephanhart]

Yeah, they're wrong calling it an XX70 card! It's a 60 at best.

[hyperkid]

watched most reviews, the thing i got from them is that buying a 6800xt would be better for cheaper or just get a 6950xt if you want to spend the $600++

[Chiefgeargrinder]

Forget the sub 16GB cards. You can grab a Dell or HP O.E.M 3090 with 24 Gigs of VRAM That's been hardly used for 700-750 and has decent RT performance.if you don't want RT and you prefer New than the 6950 is a bargain.

[ChadeGB]

It's hilarious how everywhere we're hearing the 4070 isn't a 4k card, yet the 3080 was touted as one from the start and still is, so if the 4070 offers similar performance, why is it not a 4k card? Games aren't hugely more demanding than 2-3 years ago, aside from a few outliers like Cyberpunk in Overkill mode.

[Keyaerts]

It will be interesting to see at which price AMD will announce the 7800 XT, if priced similar but with 16GB of VRAM I would definitely go for that card. I'm gonna wait and hopefully AMD will not screw up it's next tier of 7000 GPU's.

[realbeetlejuice]

Damn. I wasn't expecting another savage beating but this was another savage beating on Nvidia. It's so true... they are giving us less tech in terms of memory, bit bus, etc, and charging more.... unreal.

[t.p.b.]

I remember you being one of the first to warn about the 8gb vram issue.