Top Tier Jets Are No Longer Fun... Here's Why. [War Thunder]

JetNoob rants about war thunder's problems. is still gud gaem tho :D

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DISCORD

[Grossaaa]

Tomcat vs Tomcat might be annoying, but Tomcat vs Anything is just unplayable. I am spading the F4F for GRB, and it's not fun getting onecircled by a plane goind 400km/h faster than you when you are at 8 minutes fuel and have combat flaps out.

[crazeelazee]

I think War Thunder is at the point where it must do away with nations in matchmaking and instead each vehicle/aircraft should have its own "flag" (so for post war stuff you have NATO + Taiwan vs Warsaw pact + PRC). Enough with American Phantoms and German Mig-23s fighting Russian Mig-23s and Japanese Phantoms. And let's not get started with Shermans in ground RB

[antoniojmols]

I totaly agree with you dude. Air RB in top tier, now is not fun. It is cool have new cold war jets like f14, but it have destroyed the fun.
I believe we need more cooperative modes like EC maps in air RB.
I have enjoyed playing with top tier jets in ground RB, is more dynamic and a less predictable mode.

[sadstar]

I found that the mog 23 mla is fun during the f14 spam, it's not overpowered to the point that it is boring but is not bad to the point where you have to suffer. Also r24's are insane.

[Stealth]

Just wanted to say thanks for the videos/content, the effort's greatly appreciated. I actually stopped playing about a year or so ago, but still like to watch reviews and such. Honestly, I think the game will need something of an overhaul eventually. There's some gameplay elements that I think really need work and additional "patches" as they do now just aren't ennough IMO. One thing that really bothered me was effectively the abandonment of SIM, along with a few key issues in it that aren't/won't be fixed. I know SIM doesn't have a huge percentage of the playerbase, but it really is quite unique IMO.

[gniolliv]

This is why i love staying around 4.0-5.0. This is where i get the most fun.

[KaizerLeviath]

My biggest pet peeve is invisible missiles. They have been a thing since they were added to the game and have only been getting worse as time goes on.
Oh, you're extening from an enemy you have energy trapped and is basically a guaranteed kill? Lol, lmao, too bad, you just ate a missile you could have easily dodged but the game just didn't render (or did so at the very last moment).
Lately I've also had flares other players drop render in late, sometimes causing me to waste a missile which I would not have used if I'd seen the flares.
It's not a network issue since I can play other games perfectly.
inb4 "client side issue"

[runescaperocks]

I remember when Gaijin was hard no supersonics, no air to air missiles because it would break the game engine and break game balance. Then a few years later they go back on that rule. Low and behold you have the a5 sabers, meteors, and other early jets struggle hard against the new aircraft, invisible missiles and a even more compressed jet matchmaker. Instead of stopping their and reevaluating the jet tier aircraft they keep pumping more. Then they introduced flashy premium jets. Now you have new players who want fly their favorite cold war era jet get mixed up with players who potentially have hundred of hours of experience because they f2p grinded. So now you have a huge range in terms of aircraft performance and player proficiency with the power creep and more modern aircraft systems fighting more rudimentary systems due to a broken match maker. I think the issue is matchmaking is currently too one dimensional. It only sees battle rating and players available. if there are 8 players and 4 players of the same nation all decide they want to play support aircraft or bombers at the same time you will have one team quickly dispatching the other team.

[donfelipe]

I feel your pain brother. I have been a War Thunder player for many years too, although I sometimes take long breaks and come back to it again. However my most recent stint saw me finally unlock the Phantom FGR.2 in the British tree and I was so happy to finally have the top British jet after so many years. A day later, Danger Zone update released and the spam of F-14s you talked about began. So while I was still unlocking modifications and learning how to use radar guided missiles for the first time I had to contend with aircraft the next step up from my shiny new Phantom. While it got better after some effort and I even shot down my fair share of F-14s the excitement was fleeting and the game play stale and over usually within three minutes from take off.

[OmegaX]

They'll add something, they always do. War Thunder loves doing this thing where they add one cutting edge vehicle to a nation and the rest suffer for a while. This was especially prevalent during the addition of MBTs with composite armor and more modern systems. It used to be a huge balance issue when historical matchmaking was more strictly enforced by the matchmaker, but they've since made those requirements a lot less strict, which leads to a lot more of these same vehicle matchups.

[WZNGT]

Well, 8 years Ace Combat fan slash aerospace engineering student here, 3 days into WT just to see how it is and was considering making some skins of older jets that AC will probably never have with Osean Federation liveries. Thoughts so far are that Gaijin wants players to suffer, you have to grind and grind no matter want, if you do P4F then you don't get anything, if you pay the ridiculous amount of money that can even buy DCS aircraft you'd still need to grind... The progress is already painfully slow even at rookie stage, I probably will give up around F4U.

[Goldn]

I remember having to learn how to fly against sabres specifically in my mig. And it was almost just that. If I played my strengths right then I was 9 times out of 10 unstoppable. If my opponent pulled me in and played his right. I was almost guaranteed dead. And that’s okay, it was fun being able to examine your gameplay and get something from it. Now it feels more like cod for planes.

[Thunderbox]

It's funny you mentioned the F-14 vs F-14 every game, that doesn't bother me that much because of mid tier US tanks, Every nation (except Sweden) has M4 Sherman's P-47's and M-24's and I am sick of it, so top tier I'm just used to it (Also US mains are fricking idiots so I can easily get kills.)
I still wonder why I started with the US, I came to the game for 109's and Spitfires but I guess I thought the US tech tree had better options (keep in mind I started playing just before update 'Super Sonic' came out) and I keep playing the US because I have jacked crew stats across all 9 crews I have

As for the constant Team death match, I don't mind that, I would enjoy it more if my team would accept that and not try to re-create team 'Operation Rolling Thunder' every game but idiots who bomb their way to top tier don't know anything else I guess.
Maybe a 4v4 dogfight instead might solve the problem but not everything can dogfight so that's still an issue and EC maps are just annoying for the highest tier because I can't sit full afterburner like the ape I am, though I do enjoy it in the F-86's and MiG-17's, so Gaijin WHERE ARE ME DROP TANKS???

[MSGtJimator]

I’ve been playing since 2014 and have to agree with you on all points. Not improving the game and adding more stuff instead has been an issue for me for a very long time. But as you mentioned, they are a business and it’s working for them. So they have no reason to change. There would need to be a serious decrease in revenue for them to take any steps in improving the experience.

[the_darkgameryt]

I love how he mentioned the mig 29 and the f16 and they were pretty much the exact next update

[SniperElitw]

Good old 9.0 Toptier F86, MiG15 Era was the best time.

[connorisonfire]

Anyone that points to a Mig-31 as a counter to ANY 4th gen up fighter is either crazy or a fucking god in the box. The Mig-31 is basically a flying top fuel dragster.

[lowestmoose]

The predatory style of the company that runs war thunder is insane, honestly this is why I hate free to play games because they then assume it is ok to charge you $60 for a A10 warthog, that's insane its more expensive than a full game that will probably give you the exact same planes with no additional charge. In my opinion anything more than $10 is a rip off considering how long it takes to model and texture a jet. As well the predatory style of their pricing for golden lions is just a joke, I honestly don't think games should be allowed to sell in game currency and that everything should be just be purchasable with real money directly. These types of companies make so much money it is insane and the sheer audacity they have to charge so much for a single asset makes me sick. Honestly if they had of been much more fair with pricing and less predatory I would have given them money, but as it stands I refuse to. Even though I know it makes no difference as I know people will buy their stuff regardless of principles and price I like to think that a few people like me are at least slightly reducing their massive profit pool.

[jaek_]

The only top tier jets I have fun with these days are the J-7E and Su-17M4.

[Reddragondrinks]

Imo, adding the F-16 and mig 29 would have been better for balance. Other nations could have a better missile loadout example the F-4ejkai/viggen/ Fgr could get the Aim-9Ls, and mirage with historical un-nerfed accurate magic 2s.