Can Police Demand Your Name? Should You Talk?

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Can Police Demand Name & Address (PART 2)

[unclecarl]

The problem is that as soon as you start asking questions of the police they get defensive and aggressive. It doesn't matter how polite and calm you are. I was once arrested for going up to a police officer and asking for help. That is absolutely true. My friends father had died and he was exceptionally upset. We were in Leeds town centre. I asked if they could help me get a taxi or at least just help me out a little with him. They decided he was drunk or on drugs. Arrested both of us. Made us stay in cells over night. Threw us out at 4.30am. Then lied about the incident in court and we were both fined for being drunk and causing a disturbance. Neither of us had touched a drop. They are thugs who lie and think themselves above the law. They are a state funded criminal organisation.

[raypurchase]

My grandparents used to say, "Stay away from coppers and hospitals".
Excellent advice.

[brigaderheart]

Many years ago when i was in early 20s some friends and myself hired a a van for an easter weekend in Torbay, we saw a couple with 2 young kids being attacked so i stopped the van and me and my mates chased after the attackers but they knew the layout of the area and escaped, we went back to the van where the couple were consolling the kids and told them sorry they got away, later that afternoon police cars got in front and behind the van to pen us in and directed to the police station where they manhandled us and pushed us inside and up against the wall refusing to answer any questions, is it because we have got long hair and not from your area we asked?, shut up and stand there we were told, then the couple we saw being attacked were escorted in and asked "Are these the ones that attacked you this afternoon?", No!, these are the guys who helped us and chased the attackers away", are you sure the coppers said, take a good look at them, you could be charged with perjury for covering up for them, No we gave you descriptions of the guys that attacked us, these are not the men!, the police seemed determined to push the terrified couple into saying it was us just to get a conviction, have not been able to trust a copper since and now they are getting even worse.

[brian]

We along with our neighbours had a problem with someone who moved in across the road a few years ago, we rang the police about his abusive and threatening behaviour on four occasions. On the first two visits the officer concerned was both sympathetic and helpful (these were both local police officers ), on the third occasion the officer was not really interested, all he said was until someone gets hurt, or property is damaged there is nothing we can do. On the fourth occasion the officer that arrived was one of those armed with a side arm, taser and pepper spray, he came in and proceeded to give me a lecture about how important his time was, and then he said “I’ve got better things to be doing than listening to someone who doesn’t get on with his neighbours, and I don’t want to have to come out here and arrest you for wasting police time “. This was after the offender (who we had discovered was known to the police for previous violent and abusive behaviour ) had threatened both myself and my disabled neighbour . The more I see of how (some) police are behaving like little nazis and others are just too afraid to do anything when confronted by thugs, the less respect I have for them, and I am a seventy year old who was brought up to respect the police in an era when they behaved like police and not like either jackbooted thugs or morons doing anything to placate rioters.

[whizzo]

Wayne Couzens used his Warrant Card, that didn't end well, did it !!!

[stephenrichards]

It seems to me that the word suspicion allows the police to do whatever they choose and that has also been my experience.

[mikeymy]

Had police at my door looking for someone that's never been linked to my address, after telling the female officer they were at the wrong address she responded with 'Oh we're not' and started getting very aggressive threatening to kick my door in because I refused them entry. Long story short after sticking to my guns and refusing to give my details or grant them entry I was then told I'm acting suspicious and after speaking with the only legal counsel I could at such short notice was told to give them my details. The fact the police can just turn up at your door looking for any random person and accuse you of acting suspicious in your own home just to get their way is quite alarming.

[colinellison]

Clearly ordinary people have no rights to silence, if all the policeman has to do is to say he was suspicious!

[KenFullman]

I once had a police officer turn up at our house asking for my mother. She was out shopping. I asked what it was for and he refused to give me any details but asked if my mother could contact him at a particular police station (not our local station but in a neighbouring town). When my mother got home I told her and my eldest brother (naturally intrigued as none of our family had ever had any issues with the law) drove her to the station in question.

She asked to speak to the officer involved but was told "sorry he's not here at the moment" but then as she was about to leave, the desk sergeant told her she was not free to leave and she'd have to wait for him. After a while, she (and my brother) decided they'd be going anyway and informed the desk sergeant. She was then arrested and put in the cells overnight until the officer in question turned up for his duty the next day.

And what was the incident that lead to this? Apparently they'd found an old guy, that lived alone, had died of natural causes. Unfortunately nobody knew if he had any relatives so they went through his address book to find anyone that may know the guy. Apparently he had my fathers name and an old phone number for him. I should clarify that my father had been deceased for about 5 years and the phone number was about 15 years out of date (which was obvious by the short number). The only reason this officer wanted to talk to my mother was to ask her if she knew if this guy had any relatives they could contact.

None of our family had a clue who this guy was. Best guess was that he was a customer of my fathers, when my father did gardening. But my mother had been held in cells overnight for THIS! In hindsight it would have been better if my mother had simply called the police station, but to be held in custody, simply because a copper wants to talk to her when even the desk sergeant didn't know why.

[Ade_]

Years ago, as a pedestrian. I was followed by an officer for no reason, stopped and asked my name. I asked why, cleverly the officer said so I know what to call you. So I said 'Bob'. The officer said so that's your name. I said no but that's what you can call me. The look I got was total confusion. I said glad I could clear that up for you and casually walked away. Still makes me smile.

[woodyify]

Back in 1980 i had a traffic accident on my motor bike. Police turn up and ask questions as to what happened. I happily
chatting away about said accident. No big deal or so i thought. Then letter comes through the door telling me i've got to go
court as i'm being charged with driving with undo care and attention. Listening to the Police officers read back of our little
chat even i would have given myself 10 years. Lesson learnt. Never say more than you have to and choose your words carefully.
Been a bit wary of Police ever since.

[Simes]

"If an officer suspects..." and there's the catch all. They can 'suspect' anything and you're supposed to comply 🤔😒

[donkeyholmes]

Great explanation, unfortunately it doesn’t work like that in the real world a lot of the time the ordinary person on the street (not criminals) tries a lot harder to abide by the law than the police do.

[Alan]

I've never been in trouble with the police, but I am fostering a growing hatred of them due to the increasing thuggish and intimidating behaviour.

[googleuser-iddb]

The minute you defend your rights as an innocent member of the public is the minute you become a victim to the police, and they start using excuses when they stop you like "your matching the description of some one we are looking for " or "I can smell drugs" and that's our reason to stop and search you.

[GeoffreyMontegriffo]

At 19 and in University (30ish years ago) I worked in a bar and regularly walked home at 1am. A police car stopped next to me asking where I was walking from, too, name, dob etc. The guy was incredibly aggressive, and it was obvious that he was hoping that I was staggering home drunk at 1am and he could provoke me into being aggressive with consequences. Being sober, level headed, cooperative and calm got me through his deliberate provocations, but he drove away visibly disappointed. I pity the returning drunk nightclubber he met around the corner.

[philipdart]

You should always treat the police with the upmost caution and suspicion ( THE POLICE ARE NOT ALLWAYS TRUTHFULL)!

[richardbarcock]

I am nearly 80 and have never broken the law except for speeding. However I have in the last 20 years been witness to several police incidents and sadly in each case the officers bordered on pathalogial liars to the point that I would never speak to a polkice officer in my life again because based on experience what I said would probably be distorted by lies. If you say nothing it is that more difficiult to lie about it. I would only speak to a police officer with a solicitor present.

[Malky]

Many years ago, I was out with a group of mates round Bradford, and we were arrested and thrown into the back of a van. Now, the reason they gave for the arrest was we had been seen vandalising a telephone box (showing my age a bit there 😂) specifically they said they had a "witness" who saw me holding the handset up above my head waving it around... It is my belief they were trying to pin something on me thinking I was that pissed they would get away with it, how wrong they were! I suggested they will need to bring their so-called witness forward as I knew I had been nowhere near any phone boxes...
Anyway, we were kept in overnight for something we hadn't done and then released, I get that the police need to carry out their investigations etc but in my case either the Police were lying, or their "witness" was lying and either way it's about time the innocent party got some compensation when this happens either directly from the Police or from the so-called "witness"...