Romans 11 - Is the Church the True Israel? - Steve Gregg

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[JohnHH]

I appreciate your clarity on this very important matter. The current popular viewpoint on the endtimes and Israel's role is so convoluted.
I'm certain the Word is clear who Israel is.

[SteveGreggVideos]

Romans 11 | NKJV
Israel’s Rejection Not Total
11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their [b]fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their [c]fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and [d]fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, [e]goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has [h]committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

Footnotes
Romans 11:6 NU omits the rest of v. 6.
Romans 11:11 trespass
Romans 11:12 trespass
Romans 11:17 richness
Romans 11:22 NU adds of God
Romans 11:25 estimation
Romans 11:26 Or delivered
Romans 11:32 shut them all up in

[GospelMusicians]

Galatians 3:29 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. 29 And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham.

[dougbell]

A wonderful presentation. The Church, which includes Jews and Gentiles, is the true Israel. ✔️
Thank you, Steve.

[joshnelson]

Dispensationalists claim that after the rapture, during the time period when “all Israel” will be saved, more gentiles will also be saved. They call them the “tribulation saints”. But how can that be? How can more gentiles come in after the fullness of the gentiles have already come in?

[maskofsorrow]

Another flawless exposition by Steve. Delivered with genuine true to the text clarity. Steves objectivity in approaching hermeneutics is a gift in itself.

[Notworthy]

I just found your teachings and they are very helpful. Thank you!

[dennismaher]

AMEN BROTHER, I lived in Santa Cruz 80s 90s + ... Your a great teacher .

[lucasmcdonald]

You know who really gets the short end of the stick with Dispensationalism?

Jesus.

[BEvans]

Galations 3: 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Israel are those found in Christ, those who repented and turned from their sin those a Revelation 14:12 state “keep the commandments of God and have the faith OF Jesus”.

Jesus said of the nation of Jews “your house has been left unto you, desolate”. The time of the Jews is over God’s people are those who accept and obey Christ.

[aletheia]

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

[heydadd]

"ALL ISRAEL" is the jew-gentile body of Christ. Eph. 2. " BOTH are ONE BODY", this is "the Israel of God" Galatians. 6:16 And 1 Peter 2:9 "you are... a holy nation". See Jesus' words about the kingdom taken from them and givent to another nation..="ALL Israel".

[christalone]

I know a Historic Premill person who also believes there is going to be an end time mass conversion of Jews, so not just the dispensationalist view. It all seems nutty to me how they come up with that idea.

[michaelnewzealand]

I loved the video and that you made very clear your understanding of the verses and why you take that view. One thing that seems to come across in the video implicitly is the debunking of universalism in the fact that not all Jews at any point necessarily will be saved nor will all gentiles. Would that be correct? Also another thing that comes across as conditional Salvation which fits very well with the idea of conditional immortality.

[SpotterVideo]

Romans Chapter 11: In its New Covenant context... There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in this passage. Plan A is found in verses 23 and 24.

In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period can be found in Matt. 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Gal. 1:14-18. Many try to claim God never gave the Jews a chance to accept Christ, so there must be some Plan B of salvation before or during the Second Coming of Christ. Romans 1:16 proves they are wrong, since Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews. Many ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", and as "men of Israel", and as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3, 000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. This passage proves Paul was right about the Gospel being taken "first" to the Jews.

Were all of the Israelites "partially" hardened in Romans 11, or were part hardened and another part were not hardened? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.

Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 9:6-8. There is an Israel of the promise, and an Israel of the flesh. This is part of the context of Romans 11.
Paul speaks about the "remnant" of Israel in Romans 9:27. This is also part of the context of Romans 11.

Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites. In verse one Paul reveals he is still an Israelite, even after his conversion. Then Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah. There were the Baal worshippers, and there was the faithful "remnant". In verse five Paul says there is also a faithful "remnant" of Israelites during his time. This must be the Israelites who have accepted Christ, as on the Day of Pentecost.
Paul uses the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. The unbelieving Israelites have been broken off but can be grafted back in through faith in Christ in verses 23-24.

Verse 26 is the problem for many modern Christians. What does the verse actually say, and how is it changed by many in the modern Church.

I have heard two of our nations famous preachers say the following.
"And then all Israel will be saved..."

I have heard another say the following.
"And all Israel will be saved..."

What does God's Word, recorded by the Apostle Paul actually say?

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The English word "so" is translated from the Greek word "houto", which is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing. Some have changed the word from "so" to "then", in order to change the meaning of the verse.

How will all of the "remnant" of Israel from Romans 9:27 be saved? The answer is found in the verses that precede verse 26 and are found below.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Paul quoted from the OT in referring to the Deliverer coming out of Sion to pay for sin. Did this happen at Calvary, or will Jesus die again for His people in the future?
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Verse 28 can only be understood by looking at how Paul started the passage. He started with two different groups of Israelites and he ends the passage in the same way. There are two different groups of "they" in verse 28. One group of "they" reject Christ and are the enemies of God, and another group of "they" are the election which accept Christ through hearing the Gospel and faith.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Based on Luke 21:24b-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ. This agrees with what Paul said in Romans 1:16 about the Gospel going “first” to the Jews.

[tilltheendministries]

Jesus is the root Jesus is Israel. His life followed the exact pattern of Israel. Joseph had a dream he went into Egypt. He went from Egypt to his Baptism then into the wilderness to be tempted. Jesus is the true representative of God or Israel. When we come into relationship with Jesus we become grafted into Israel. It’s all about Jesus he is the only way.

[darrendavis]

We believers on Christ are Israel. That's key.

[ZeroESG.goopootoob]

So many conflate all these terms and subjects directly with 'salvation, ' when they might be getting at one thing or another, namely, identity.

It is also very common to construe Paul's descriptions of aspect/view of a given individual's eternal status from our perspective as being synonymous with God's vantage point.

[brendaevans]

A real true Christian will never fall away Jesus said know one can pluck them out of my hand and once you are born again you can not become unborn Jesus said just like you were born of water you must also be born of the Spirit the Spirit is a down payment for our Salvation just like you can't climb back into your mother's womb you cannot go back and be born of the Spirit again believe me the Bible clearly teaches God who started a good work in you will finish it if a person fails away they were never saved from the beginning just like Judas he was never truly a believer.✝️🙏🤗

[freedomtruth]

What Bible translation is Steve reading from here?