The Only Way Germany Could've Won: America Strikes Back

Last video ended with a big bang, so it was only right for me to expand on this alternate timeline and see how things go

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[chaskafitzpatrick]

Nobody:
Macarthur in this timeline:
"I see a sea of cobalt, along the Rhine"

[Ididitlikethis]

Replacing the Nazi Swastika with the YouTube logo was an ingenious idea.

[Soundwave]

Worth mentioning on the Atomic Bomber: the US was also developing the B-36 Peacemaker during the war, explicitly for the purpose of launching Atomic raids from the US Mainland if the UK fell. It's basically a B-29 on steroids, with 6 piston engines and nearly twice the size of the B-29.

[danb.]

15:57 Interesting note: Roosevelt predicted the Azores being used by the nazis in his Arsenal of Democracy speech, really interesting callback if that was intentional!

[or_gluzmanPeace_IL_PS]

nazi germany:we won!
america: no you didn't

just like in TNO

[Colonel_dinggus]

1:54 I want a 1 hour video on the manhattan project. Cody has the perfect voice and tone that it’s interesting enough to want to watch the whole thing but it’s also undisruptive enough to be a sleep aide at low volume.

[truthsandlies]

23:22 i love the fact that almost everything has to go perfectly for this alternative WW2 for it to be a "fair fight".

[pernie]

Something to note is that Erwin Rommel's issues were almost never actually a lack of supplies. Or more precisely, his issue was that he kept outrunning his supply lines. He did it in France, and he did it in Africa. I restate: He had the same supply issue in France. Right next-door to Germany. His issue was never one of availability, it was one of impatience. When he came across an actually prepared force, like at Tobruk, or Arrass, he either did or very nearly, lost.

[Longshanks]

I thought I was going crazy when Cody talked about the Italians successfully repelling the British in Ethiopia as I’d never heard about that before and thought there was a huge gap in my knowledge, before he stopped the kayfabe. 😂

[Patman]

Absolutely loved the amendments that you made, and the fact that you listened to the audience on the Berlin question and other stuff. Exceptional video, Cody!

[nonamespore]

So I think you're seriously underestimating how difficult it is for Germany to get a serious navy by 1945. It's not just "how long does it take to build a ship, " they need the facilities also to build them, the resources to do so, the logistical infrastructure to transport said resources, and the plans made. Even with occupation of the Soviet Union full utilization of their resources immediately would still likely be difficult from wartime infrastructure damages that would need time to repair. Plans for battleships and cruisers and destroyers certainly existed, so they're fine there even if their designs aren't all that... efficient. Carriers could be a concern; Germany had a difficult time in general with building carriers and not really having plane designs to go on them, as well as a general lack of experience in carrier aviation. They do have designs (and an 85% complete ship) but whether said designs actually work or not is still up for debate.

"Facilities to build them" is probably the most severe issue here. Historically WWII Germany never had more than 4 capital ships in the "dry" phase of building (pre-launch), and their plans around 1939-1940 only called for 7-9. For Sea Lion to happen when you want it to Germany is basically allowed to complete 1 production batch of capital ships, and frankly I don't think 7-9 additional capital ships is going to be enough to punch through Britain's navy, especially if Britain sees the German buildup and attempts to acquire more boats in a more-bankrupt version of the dreadnought race prior to WWI. If Germany wants a 2nd batch of capital ships, then they'd need more yards, and to spend time building those or repairing old Soviet yards, and that's at least a delay of months.

I would think that, in order for Germany to get some form of naval parity to Britain with US assistance, enough to Sea Lion, it would take them into late 1945 or probably into 1946 or 47 to actually do so. Maybe they could fix up the scuttled Vichy French navy and grab (and complete) what remains of the Soviet's Navy to get a few more hulls? Maybe Italy could move their navy into the Atlantic?

I'll be honest, I have some skepticism that Japan isn't focused down harder. Without active fighting in much of Europe and Africa until 1945 America isn't needing to commit forces over there, outside of bolstering Britain and whatever lend-lease they try to get through. That likely means more men and more ships in the Pacific, and especially in '43 when lend lease stops being a commitment. In our timeline the American Navy had a hand and leg tied behind it's back fighting Japan due to the need to protect convoys and do a couple landings. With less convoys that leg is untied, and that hand becomes untied in '43. Japan is frankly getting curbstomped at sea and on their occupied islands even faster, though what to do with mainland Japan is a more interesting question.

That being said the British Navy still likely has similar involvement to our timeline. The US guy in charge of the theater hates the British and wants them to get none of the glory.

[JustaBunchofGoofs]

The ghost of Oswald Mosley was on the edge of his seat watching this video only to see he was left out

[FacterinoCommenterino]

Today's Fact: The oldest continuously inhabited city in the world is Damascus, Syria, which has been inhabited for over 11, 000 years.

[fireswordfcyt]

Fun fact, seeing how he called Iraq and Iran being liberated, then lemme tell you, in real life, during Rommel's advance onto Egypt, Egyptian's would say "تقدم يا رومل" or "Advance, Rommel" to inbed further fear into the already scared shitless British troops in Egypt.

[SiobhanFalque]

When Japan was planning for war with the US, Isoruku Yamamoto objected all ideas of invading the American homeland. Stating that an invasion of the US would have every blade of grass being protected by bayonet. So Japan eventually settled on trying to quickly crippling the US pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor. And as we all know, even that failed.

[jimtalbott]

13:50 - Don’t underestimate the value of Gibraltar to the UK in OTL. That little outpost, and Malta were a BIG deal.

[flyboyfien]

As mentioned by a few other commenters, American prototype air production was going batshit insane at this point. It would have only been exasperated by the threat of invasion looming over the UK.

British and American engineers would have come together to increase jet engine development at the onset of large scale ME-262 production. A 1945 Battle of Britain would not have just seen Spitfires and Mustangs, but likely Lockheed P-80s, and possibly even prototype F-86 Sabres. Even assuming German engineers improved on the ME-262s reliability, American jets would still wipe the floor with them in any air to air fighting.

Additionally, the B-36 Peacemaker was already in development at this point in our timeline. Designed to be nuclear capable, and to strike Germany from U.S. mainland bases, the Peacemaker would have leveled Germany in a strategic bombing campaign that would have made the 8th AAFs efforts in our timeline look like a picnic. It could fly farther, faster, higher, and carry more bombs than any of its predecessors. It could operate outside of the range of both German jets and ground AA defenses. The Peacemaker would have flown virtually uncontested for months before the Germans would find a solution to bring them down, assuming their factories weren't all rubble by then.

This timeline likely would have seen the onset of true jet dogfighting be WWII, instead of the Korean War. The air war would not have faired well for the Germans as time went on.

[HistoryGameV]

Hey, thank you very much for the shoutout! xD I'd like to point out another target for the nukes: Wilhelmshafen. For a Sealion in 1945 this would be the primary harbour to concentrate the German battlefleet. Imagine a nuke dropping on it. As we have seen in the US nuke tests post-WW2 battleships and even heavy cruisers could withstand a nuclear bomb if it didn't drop on top of them (which would be the case in this scenario though). Not to mention the harbour infrastructure with the Sealion stockpiles getting either destroyed or radiated, as would be the ships. Honestly haven't looked into how much was known about nuclear radiation at the time but it would likely take the Germans a while to realise that a good chunk of their fleet is now a mortal danger to its crews, despite surviving the blast.

[ZarexianMapper]

24:54 Malta can't be stripped away from the British as they already had to give it to the Italians according to your own 1940 peace treaty.

[iken]

No matter what timeline happens, Italy is still a bad teammate 💀