ROGAL DORN MEETS ALPHARIUS

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Today we are looking at when Primarch Rogal Dorn of the Imperial fists. Met his brother Alpharius of the Alpha Legion, during the Great Crusade.

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[lkvideos]

*Alpha Legion betrays both loyalists and heretics*
Both sides: "Seriously, what side are you on .... ?"
Alpha Legion: "Yes."

[tibbydudeza]

This passage in a HH book probably describes the Alpha legion the best.

Bjorn the Fell-Handed: "Why ???".
Dying Alpha legionnaire: "For the Emperor"

[richardvaldes]

Alpha legion is still the craziest of all. Their actions are like an onion of motives

[zerograv]

I think the most interesting part of this interaction is that Dorn is right. He does know Alpharius and he does see his flaws even while Alpharius continues to deny that they are significant. Dorn is hinting that Alpharius' problem is that he's an isolationist. He keeps things from his brothers and even his closest confidants. Dorn hits this point a bunch of times during the conversation without actually really saying it. He wants Alpharius to come to the conclusion on his own and he gives out a fuckload of hints. That initial strike is thrown in anger at Alpharius' unwillingness to accept that the way he does things is a problem, even if he thinks its in his nature to be solitary and insular.


Even when Dorn is scolding Alpharius for his ignorance, he's trying to help him. That moment at the end of the conversation is the most poingant part. Dorn is showing his brother that if he had just collaborated with Dorn instead of doing everything by himself, he would have known how to better implement his strategy and they could have worked together to better each other. When he tells Alpharius "You made no mistakes, yet I still knew it was you." he's trying to get Alpharius to see that while he is incredibly competent, he still has flaws. Just like the rest of his brothers, he isn't perfect.


During the entire conversation, Dorn is fighting against his own flaw. His anger. He is angry with his brother for not getting it, angry that there were (in his opinion) unnecessary murders carried out by the Alpha Legion, and angrier still that Alpharius is trying to defend himself using the Emperor as a shield. Archamus can see it in his primarchs eyes. That unmistakeable twinge of restrained fury that Dorn is so famous for. Dorn is doing what Alpharius cannot and he is angry that Alpharius cannot see that there is a better way and it is possible. It's literally standing right in front of him, clad in gold armor, talking to him at that very moment. That old addage is beyond true, Alpharius wouldn't have been able to see the solution to the problem if it had literally smacked him in the face, and it almost did.


Sure, Alpharius' methods work. But he could be better. Much better.


Hydra Dominatus.

[happytravelling]

Very nice story. I would speculate that the Alpha Legion replaced the prince before killing all of his relatives, negating Dorn's arguments about Alpharius' approach to war. This is a standard Alpha Legion tactic - replacement. The Alpha Legion has replaced Inquisitors bent on pursuing them, countless Legionaries (from the book Corax), and Mechanicum personnel - d*mn, they hijacked an entire Titan Cohort with the aid of their replacements. Replacing the Prince would ensure that the world would definitely be compliant in the future - and none would be the wiser. The Alpha Legion is without a doubt, my favorite Legion.

[The_Blood_Wraith]

This is why I think Dorn is actually one of the deepest characters in this series. There are certain truths about his brothers and the Emperors true intentions that only Dorn knew. And many of these truths were heavy burdens to bear in of themselves but compound that with the responsibilities put on him during the Heresy. I think this conversation did open Dorns eyes a bit more to their father though, and the conversation he has with Malcador about the real fate of the two lost primarchs and their legions in the short story is eye opening. He is stoic and can at times be misrepresented as lacking passion, but i think as Dorn said to alpharius, he believes the Emperor wants them to battle their nature not embrace it which is why I think Dorn is a stoic at times as he is.

[meanestgreen]

Alpha Legionary: I am alpharius
Vulkan: BRUTHA! *crushing with hug
Alpha Legionary 2: I am... alpharius...
Vulkan: Oh my apologies. *crushes with hug
Alpharius: Why are all my legionaries broke in half?

[gama]

Dorn is just plainly right about so many things that the other primarchs struggle with and argue about. He makes such an effort to be rational, while all the others just go with their gut because they're super genius enough to get away with it. Another great Dorn moment is when some of the primarchs were debating who among them was the best melee fighter, and everyone was "Angron for sure, maybe Sanguinius" but Dorn's just there like "Hey, rather than Angron how about someone who thinks, like Horus, Robute, Russ, etc.? Or maybe Vulkan, that guy who holds back desperately so as not to tear his brothers limb from limb on accident when we spar?" This moment is made even better by the fact that it is supported by the stat lines of the primarchs on tabletop.

[RD-.M]

I think one reason the heresy happened is that the Primarchs didnt trust each other. The Primarchs didnt talk to each other as much as they should have. The secrets and mistrust among the Primarchs helped the heresy along. Great video as always, keep them coming.

[bplup]

"Why are we fighting our own forces?"


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[RoosterCogburnPhD]

Dorn: We can speak privately if you want.
Alpharius: I do not keep secrets from my brothers.
Dorn: THAT is a lie.

I want to hear this in ITHATTSD Dorn's voice

[Bluemilk]

I love the conversation Dorn has with Garviel Locken the first book. It really shows how thoughtful he can be. This was back when Horus was still a genuinely amazing person.
He basically says, (with much more elegant phrasing)
"Okay, my dad has dropped a *gigantic* turd on my brother, and even though Horus is the best of us, he *is* the best choice for Warmaster, only my dad could actually run the Crusade without going bonkers. You're a cool dude, so keep an eye on my brother for me, just make sure you help him stay on the up and up."

[irondiver]

Remember Emperor created the primarchs but that is only half of the equation. They grew to adulthood on different planets. Therefore we are forced to ponder the age old question, nature vs nurture. Alpharius might be a sneaky duplicitous sob, but does he really have to act that way?

[josecolon]

Dorn... every time I think I have you figured out... you pull a fast one on me and prove me wrong...
And then you realize, siege warfare is the hardest type of warfare, because one microscopically miscalculated step could destroy your entire defensive.... everyone always praises Perturabo for the iron cage fortress trap... but Dorn is that fortress personified... he just had to realize that his one flaw is he can’t outsmart himself

[Xkhaosxzeus]

Alpharius was insistin' on a Fistin !

[Melanth]

Alpha Legion are definitely one of the most compelling legions around. The mystery surrounding them is something I hope gets some well put together closure one day, but if I had to speculate, I would say that they are both loyal and traitor; different factions withing the legion playing a tend thousand year long game of 4d chess as they try to accomplish their own ends.

[justinanderson]

The last part where Dorn picks apart how Alpharius could have been more efficient within his own operations was the first thing that really started to understand just how awesome Dorn is. Super intelligent, strong, to the point, insightful and even in strategies beyond his own, utterly efficient. The guys a boss.

[xianderthest]

Still believe the Alpha Legion is loyal.

[fullgreysn]

Rogal Dorn is just the one you can't surprise. Becouse your surprise is just a piece of his plan..

[ironstarofmordian]

Are you sure it was Alpharius?

Alpharius is a troll. Damn shame he may or may not have gone traitor.