The Most In-Depth GOAT Debate Video You Will EVER Watch

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Intro 0:00 - 1:21
Stats 1:22 - 3:32
Advanced Stats 3:33 - 5:43
Accolades 5:44 - 8:13
Prime 8:14 - 9:57
Longevity 9:58 - 11:55
Playoff Competition 11:56 - 16:20
Help 16:21 - 21:42
Eye Test 21:43 - 23:28
Legacy 23:29 - 26:07
Conclusion 26:08 - 28:40

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[krces]

Jordan played basicly 13 seasons and he did everything in 11 healthy sesons with Bulls that is scary.

[MisterClassic]

When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you. -Walter Payton

[irvinjohnson]

It wasn't the stats that made Jordan the goat it was the eye test people couldn't believe what they were seeing

[tonyt]

before coming to the bulls, Phil Jackson was coaching a Puerto Rican basketball team. The triangle was a brainchild of Tex Winters (asst coach). Yes, Michael benefitted having Phil as the coach, but that goes both ways. The triangle offense will only work if you have an apex scorer in your team. That's why it worked with the bulls and the shaq/kobi lakers. Go asked Phil why it didn't work in NY. Another thing, Jordan is coachable. He listens and respects his coaches and he's not afraid to buy into a system if it will help him win. Can you say the same about lebron?

[imhong]

Nice video but one thing you should keep in mind is that Phil Jackson was not as accomplished before he took over as the Bulls head coach in the 1990 offseason.

[MDPromise]

At 16:00 he makes probably the most interesting point. MJ had tougher conference competition and less finals competition, which lead to less trips to the finals but always winning when he's there. While LBJ had less conference competition and tougher finals competition, which lead to him having more finals appearances but less wins when he is there.

[ryanb]

LeBron isn't even close; it's a joke.

Stats need context. Jordan, as a SG, is one of the greatest rebounders ever for his position. LeBron isn't even in the conversation for being a great rebounding SF. He's basically average. Jordan as a SG, is the greatest playmaker and passer ever at his position. LeBron has basically played PG/scorer, with the entire offense running through him - the assists are overrated. Jordan gets the nod in both areas.

Defensively, it's a joke to even make the comparison. LeBron quits on so many plays, shows up sometimes, totally fizzes out other times - basically never takes the challenge of shutting down the opposing teams best player, most certainly not night in and night out. Jordan is widely considered, and rightfully, the greatest defensive guard ever. LeBron, again, not even in the conversation for greatest defensive forward or SF, even.

And obviously Jordan is the greatest scorer of all-time, and one of the best shooters ever - 3-point shots were considered a bad shot/last resort when he was in the league - if he had felt he needed to extend his game to the 3-point line, Jordan would have been elite. His mid-range game is unparalleled. Whereas LeBron has shot 34% from outside 3 feet for his career. He's actually a bad shooter, not even league average. His strength is getting to the basket and scoring there, where he takes the vast majority of his shots - and Jordan is better at getting to the basket, too, lmao.

Let's not forget that Jordan played in an era where defense mattered - no free layups/dunks rule used to exist. Hand-checking. This completely changes what an offensive player can do. The league was brutal back then compared to LeBron's days in the modern NBA. If Jordan played in today's rules, he wouldn't even need a 3 point shot now. He'd be unguardable, even more so - he'd get anywhere he wanted at any time. Rodman and Pippen have both said he could average 50 in today's game, and it's not an exaggeration.

And this is without even going into LeBron's obvious PED/Steroid usage - his trainer was on the list when all those MLB players were caught. There's little doubt.

There is no actual debate. It's manufactured by the media.

[jumaane]

His efficiency out side of 3 feet is shocking

[juano]

Lebron can average a triple double for 10 more years and still won’t ever top prime MJ. No one has yet to be able to do so… MJ dominated on BOTH ends of the floor, more so in the playoffs and specially in the finals. No one can say that but MJ

[Lifted]

If Lebron has been playing 20+ years and Jordan is still clearly the better player I don't get why some people say Lebron can still do something in the near future that will get him past Jordan 😂 the debate is over and it should've never been a debate in the first place. Kobe was the closest we ever got to Jordan

[lukaxxlunchpailguyxxdoncic]

On the 6th day, Jordan created Pippen.

[crosswiz]

You forgot to mention how misleading Lebron's fg% is when THE VAST MAJORITY of his shots are within 0-5 ft. from the basket, dunks and layups, any further than that and his fg % drops off a cliff.

[dryames]

18:00 That's because Lebron gets coaches fired. If he had his way, Spoelstra would've been gone after 2011.

[chiefgangmusic]

This isn’t a debate to me and never has been. It’s just ppls opinions and a lot of the time it’s not even about basketball, it’s about whoever’s bias. That’s why I don’t waste time trying to convince anyone. I just know only one of these dudes got out scored by Jason Terry and COOKED 👨🏼‍🍳 by little Ole JJ Barea in “The Finals”. Another reason why it isn’t a debate to me. If only one of these guys got roasted in the finals, how could he be the goat over the the one that has never been nowhere near roasted in finals… ? Only one of these guys got to the finals and didn’t even lead their own team in scoring. Me personally, I could never have that guy as the goat and especially when the other guy has never been outscore in the finals by anyone. That just doesn’t make sense to me. But to each his own. I ain’t mad at nobody. Blessings!!

[AndrewTaylorJr]

Sorry, LBJ didn't HAVE to leave. He chose to. He could have waited a little longer.

But one of the biggest scars on LBJs legacy, was losing to the Mavs in 2011 with his new stacked team.

[mjsup]

Forgot free throws percentage, Turnovers, then you forgot game score, then you forgot wins for competition, rules changes as well. Doug Collins, Kevin Loughery, Phil wasn't a great coach until he had MJ.

[PerspectivePoint]

Jordan is the GOAT. Hands down. You all are trying to defend a player that loses time after time. It’s all marketing and MSM. If Lebron made his teammates better they’d win but there’s ALWAYS an excuse.

I’m not opposed to another player surpassing Jordan but it has to be warranted. Not just because it gets talked about endlessly.

Lebron is epitome of repeat the same lies over and over and it’ll be truth to sheep.

[rustybarrel]

“If you multiply your shoe size by your hat size, you will get the distance, in centimeters, that you can kick your hat.” -George Carlin

All the number crunching is amusing, and it helps to fuel more debate among those who want to have it, but for most people it just comes down to who you’d rather have if you want to win. I’ve been able to witness the entire careers of both while also being a Lakers fan for 40+ years. Magic and Kobe are my favorite players, but MJ is by far the best I ever saw.

[DeadguyX]

LeBron didn't change teams and make them a championship favorite. He joined a finals mvp, Wade in Miami and got an all star in Bosh to join them. It wasn't just LeBron showing up that did that. Same in Cleveland where they brought in Kyrie and Love.

[True-Believer]

This will be a conversation for years to come, but it's not really a debate. When you look at all of their accomplishments, accolades and failures, MJ rises to the top. Lebron is a lot of people's favorite player. They want so desperately for him to be where MJ is. That's why this mess goes on and on.