Paul the Liar: Apostle or Politician?

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[ohfft]

We don't actually know if Paul even wrote those things, christian doctrine has been meddled with and manipulated for 1800 years.
But i agree what you are stating that the writtings attributed to him are full of lies and deception that contradicts the Torat

[ReubenIsrael]

My journey off quitting Christianity started with Paul's journey in Damascus, 3 different versions of encountering light (jesus) that was 4 years Today im saved along with my wife and some friends. We worship one and only Elohim of Israel.

[debrapaulino]

Paul's lies fit perfect with the verse "Satan appears as an angel of light..."

[edwardmiessner]

When Peter did in Antioch the exact same thing that Paul boasted of doing in 1 Corinthians 9:20-22, Paul was there and he confronted Peter, withstanding him to his face, with: "Why do you, a Jew, who lives like a Gentile, compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?" (Galatians 2:11-14) Talk about hypocrisy!

[lovefortruth]

Discovering that either Paul was a false apostle or that the translators twisted Paul's writings, actually strengthens my faith in Jesus. Jesus taught both faith and oobdience to God's laws. And he warned the people not to listen to anyone who teaches a different gospel than the one he gives. I'll take Jesus' words over anyone who teaches differently while simultaneously claiming they follow Jesus.

[jessegwess]

Paul was a liar I thank you all for seeing the truth

[jmsmzrz]

I learned something from you guys.
I have been a Christian for 64 years and I grow in understanding.
I also believe that the writings of Paul were inserted into a canon to destroy the teachings of Yeshua.
Yeshua’s words will be the words to judge every man and woman on earth. As he said in John chapter 12 from verses 44 through verse 50 but especially verse 47 and 48.
Yeshua also said that all authority has been given to Him in heaven and on earth. Matthew 28:18.

[jmsmzrz]

Paul was a liar but Yeshua is your Messiah but stand in rebellion still.

[blop]

Broooo you are a genius!! You killed me when you said "Drugs" 17:18

Lol it's so true🤣

[bookmouse]

yes, he was a politician I think. thank you.

[TexasBlues-]

The Star of David it's the Star of Remphan and I recently saw a vid that showed ruins of an ancient synagogue. It had alternating 5 and 6 pointed stars carved along its ruined walls.

[richman]

Paul is the founder of todays Christianity

[debrapaulino]

And the words of Jesus "I didn't come to change the law but to fulfill it" also fits the "Satan appears as an angel of light..." Look up change and fulfill in dictionary.

[pricklycactusblossom]

Romans 3:4 From Saul's own words. "Let God be true & all men be liars."

[victoriasigal]

God is love but God hates evil and wickedness. God is not deceptive or deceitful, he is just!

[Thomas-kvlm]

According to my German lutheran bible Paul is referring to Psalm 51.6 (when the prophet nathan visited David after he commited adultery with bathseba - he told him his sin)2. Samuel 12.1-15) when he speaks of lies - Paul is including himself into this - realizing that on a deeper level we all are liars, sinners - we try to do the good but instead do the opposite - interesting! The roman letter was the last letter he ´d written - follow his spiritual development! He started out a "jew of jewish" - proud, self righteous, strict, merciless- and towards the end of his journey he admits that - romans 7.19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. And it is true - not ONE SINGLE man or woman goes through life sinless, even the loudest screaming and hollering evangelists, preachers, pastors, rabbis commit sinful acts dayin day out - and this is where the GRACE and the BLOOD OF THE MESSIAH comes into it.

[hajiabdulrahman]

check these 12 names for his name if found 1. Andrew 2. Peter 3. Barnabas 4, Matthew 5. John 6. James 7. James (brother of Jesus) 8. Thaddaeus 9. Judas 10. Bartholomew 11. Philips 12. Judas Iscariot, so Paul the Liar is excluded was not a chosen name.

[pezpez]

Romans Chapter 3: A treatise on paul the false apostles confession and self proof of promoting lying.
The argument and proof that paul is a liar and anti-Christ most often draws itself to line 7 which states: “For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?” To which people who follow paul, even exalting him above Yahushua, reply that you are out of context, paul is answering peoples questions. They will tell you to read the whole chapter and you will gain ‘their’ understanding. Sam Shamoun has a video where he is demeaning Muslims for professing this and commits the crime he accuses them of. (I am a devout follower of the way, not Muslim). He points them to only one or two qualifying versus saying “read the next line and you’re done.” Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say, ) Let us do evil, that good may come...whose damnation is just. Here the pauline apologist will demand we accept pauls explanation that he is denying his promotion of lying to spread the gospel with only 1 more line of context. If we did they would have a point to consider.
I did not. I read the whole chapter in English and Greek and what I found was disturbing and affirming that paul is not only indeed a liar, but that line 7 is exactly what anti-paul people think it means. paul endorses lying.
Let us look at a few very specific defining lines in this chapter to do so. In looking at them the pauline apologist reader should come away with an ability to make a more perfect sense of the lines not addressed. Not in order of importance or magnitude, but in succession.
First let us note paul seems fond of lying on King David (of whom Christ is both the son and The Lord).
So now let us do exactly that.
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
It is widely held by most scholars that this originates from Psalms: 116:11 “I said in my haste, All men are liars.” Where David declares it was stated in haste, paul changes its meaning (lies) and says ‘all men ARE liars’ and qualifies it by jumping to psalms 51:4 and quoting to promote his (Not Christs’) salvation by grace alone (mystery) gospel witnessed in his leading statements in 3:5 and 3:6. Again, another lie.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Looking at the context of Psalms 116:11 David is obviously (in context) referring to a segment of people where paul forthrightly states he is collapsing all of humanity into his statement. This will also be evidenced in lines to follow. Again, another lie.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
This is a reference to Psalms 14:1-3. Here again, David (in context) is referring to a totality in a specific group of people… not all people. This is evidenced in Psalms 14:5 where David clearly points out there are righteous people and God is with them. pauls teachings are that righteousness does not exist outside of Christ and didn’t exist before He came among us. Here paul is blatantly lying again by altering Davids’ true words and meanings. AND, he knows it. Again, another lie.
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
A direct reference to Psalms 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Here paul is rebuked by his own invocation… did he not read Psalms 14:1 “To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” Here David is obviously stating that there is none that doeth good AMONG THE FOOLS. Proverbs 14:3 states “In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.” There have always been wise and righteous men, even when it was as few as Noah and his kin. Again, another lie.
Here after in Romans paul just diatribes old testament lines lines about how sinful some people are and finally brings us to his wrap up in these final lines. Which are again his gospel not Christs that says there is salvation by grace alone. Again, another lie.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
One is left to wonder why paul chose David to lie on to make his point. I have conjecture that the slightest contemplation would point toward an attack on Christs’ lineage in an effort to cause confusion and division among those seeking Christ. In one small chapter Paul has obliterated the truth of more than a handful of Old Testament teachings that Christ endorses.
Now lets take all this and apply it to the context claimed by pauline apologists.
Rom 3:8 “And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say, ) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.” This as stated is the line most used to justify line 3:7 by pauline apologists.. Note now in context, that paul uses paul to justify paul. He bears witness to himself claiming they are slanderously reported, and here’s a weird finish to the sentence “some AFFIRM they say”! Who? .. “let us do evil, that good may come. Whose damnation is just”, and then goes on to suggest it is not in following lines. This is against what Christ teaches. Now here’s the crust on the biscuit, paul then goes on to do evil by lying about King David more than a handful of times throwing it right in our faces. Doing exactly what he claimed to be slanderously and affirmingly reported! Lying! If this justification is falsified, which I believe I have shown here, until proven wrong, beyond contestation, then line 3:7 reads is as it reads and paul is openely confessing to using sin and breaking the commandments or ‘the law’ to bring people to Christ.
May God bless and keep you and all you love. Aman.
©kravtech

[brad]

You took Romans 3:7 out of context. It was a question, not a statement of the right thing to do. You didn’t show Romans 3:8. It states”…as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.” He’s saying that if he lies, then the condemnation of others is just. He’s not saying that he is lying.

[timmacwilliam]

So we know Paul, or at least the letters attributed to him, , are full of lies how do you do the moral dance around Yahweh's evil acts in the Old Testament? Jesus never said Yahweh was is father nor did he endorse Yahweh, in fact he repudiated him.