Jesus vs Osiris

Was Jesus based on the Egyptian god Osiris? Many on the internet seem to think so, and this video addresses this claim.

Sources:

John Gywn Griffiths - The Origins of Osiris and His Cult

Dmitri Meeks - Daily Life of the Egyptian Gods

Alan Shorter - Egyptian Gods: A Handbook

Plutarch - Isis and Osiris

Jonathan Z. Smith - Dying and Rising Gods, Encyclopedia of Religion

Erik Hornung - Conceptions of God In Ancient Egypt

Christian Roy - Traditional Festivals: A Multicultural Encyclopedia

Claude Traunecker - The Gods of Egypt

Hew Dalrymple Daunt - The Centre of Ancient Civilization

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[Mansandanfan]

There's a reason why this whole mythicist movement is only popular on the internet, because that's where it belongs. No credible historian/scholar takes it seriously -- which they shouldn't.

"The alleged parallels between Jesus and the "pagan" savior-gods in most instances reside in the modern imagination: We do not have accounts of others who were born to virgin mothers and who died as an atonement for sin and were raised from the dead (despite what the sensationalist claim ad nauseam in their propagandized versions)." - Bart Ehrman.

[Angelo-rjer]

Why can’t atheists understand that every single detail of jesus’ life is clearly based on prophecies from the Old Testament not from other false gods

[thelifelineapologetics]

Short answer...NO.

Jesus was not based on Osiris. The end.

[samhwwg]

Osiris died because he was naive and fell for Set’s trick. He didn’t die for a cause or with the knowledge that he has to die, whereas Christ knew he was going to die, and he chose to die for the greater good, that is the salvation of humanity. By that, I would argue that the 2 are very different. Simply because both stories feature someone’s death and resurrection (mind you, Osiris cannot stay alive and has to go to the underworld to become king of the dead and Christ rose to heaven as a resurrected person, which is mythically the opposite already) doesn’t mean they are of the same tradition and origin. Ymir from Norse and Pengu from China are both giants that became the universe, doesn’t mean they have the same origins do they?

[godsgospelgirl]

I love all these short videos of "Jesus vs. [other religious figure]". So helpful and interesting.

[cqdlipf]

Why was i expecting an actual battle with Jesus and Osiris like in an anime X_X

[porkyyearsago]

Jesus is the true king and i will never praise or sacrifice lifes for this idol those who will say Osiris are blind those who says and comes near jesus are healed

[orestislazanakis]

Amin.

Osiris is metaphor for order and his brother set is the other side ofthe same coin, entropy. Osiris horlds the scepter that ends is Set's head symbolizing how a system (eg society) cannot function ("walk") without getting a hold of entropic processes (taming them, controlling them). This is alluded to with Horus, the son of Osiris who defeats Set and has him lift up the dead Osiris, symbolizing the new kingdom under the figure of Horus as a new king, now having understanding of how systems order and how they disorder, and knowing what to do and what to not do in order to keep entropy from returning, the last part being alluded to when the Pyramid Texts call Set a roaring earthquake underneath Osiris, who holds him down because of Horus' victory, symbolizing how if a system (body, society, organization, brotherhood, company...) doesnt get a hold of destructive processes then the inevitable fate will follow, because it always rages and roars for a chance to break free of capture and wreak its havoc upon order.... order being Osiris here, disordered into pieces, symbols for him remaining alive but only barely, and all this because while ordered he was still naive enough to trust entropy wouldnt cause disorder ; maybe alluding to a past king who thought he was so powerful his kingdom would never collapse and thus didnt sufficiently refulate the entropic aspects of having to run a kingdom?! End of the day, Osiris getting carried by boat across the Nile sums it all up as the boat is Set and the Nile is the netherworld (cosmic superfluid), and this symbolizes the return of order through the victory of the new king of Egypt, Horus.

In short... order out of chaos. No wonder the Pharaohs were thought of as representations of Horus! The responsibility they had was exactly that!

While the knowledge codified in the above myth is neat, comparing its message and myth to the Gospel and Christ respectively is naive at best and misses the point of both messages!

[coolcatbaron]

Not this again. IT'S ENOUGH, HORUS!

[killforce]

If you're not an egyptologist let's not pretend that you are. You're making a lot of broad claims about Egyptian culture and beliefs.

[PraetorDrew]

A few more points:
All the elements of Osiris which are remotely similar to Jesus (e.g. being killed and coming back to life) are in Plutarch, which is a late source. Nothing like this is in any of the ancient Egyptian literature, and there is plenty of said literature.

Mythicists take extreme liberties with interpreting religious rituals because the ancient literature does not explain them. A mythicist could take ANY religious practice where worshippers ate or drank something and say "they were eating the body and drinking the blood of their god" and that is entirely the opinion of the mythicist.

By time the Hellenistic period came around, Osiris worship had been replaced by Serapis worship and Dionysus worship. The chances that any of the New Testament authors had even heard of Osiris worship is slim at best.

[edytamichalska]

Dr. Kara Cooney who is the author of few books and apperared on MythVision was talking about evidence. Please, let me know if there is some Argument against her claims. I really want it to be untrue.

[morpheuslaughing]

Thats goes for a large portion of the Bible. There are so many instances of appropriated stories from other mythologies re-crafted with different characters and place. You could say the same about how Genesis is just re-appropriated Book of Enoch without all of the good stuff. Christians are panicking bc more people are waking up to this.

[onlinealiasuk]

I would be intrested in a video showing where they get their ideas from. Is it all just the 1890s book the Golden Bough reheated? and how did he come to his conclusions

[hmongyai]

Jesus whole story is base on all the Egyptian gods into one character

[mysteryandmeaning]

Osiris was murdered and his body was then dismembered and scattered. Later, his body pieces were recovered and rejoined, and he was rejuvenated. Osiris then journeyed to the underworld, where he became the lord of the dead. He did not resurrect with a glorified body and walk with men on earth, as did Jesus. He was not alive again, as was Jesus, but was instead a “dead” god who never returned among the living

[afd]

"Osiris was sun-rayed; his complexion was black and his hair was wooly. He was included in a slaughter of the innocents ordered by Typhon from which he, of course escaped. His legitimacy was proved by numerous miracles, some of his doctrines appear in the book of the dead, he was crucified on the vernal equinox, he desceneded to hell where he remained three days and nights to judge the dead and rose again and ascended bodily to heaven".

- Cambridge Encyclopedia edited by David Crystal 4th edition pg 107-108


Do with that what you will

[CRAFTE.D]

+InspiringPhilosophy


Doing some study on idealism.
I’d like you to look over this argument, and answer a question for me, if you would.

Premise 1: one can logically conceive of a possible Solipsist world.

P2: possible worlds cannot only contain processes, but must also contain entities
(As entities carry out processes, and processes cannot exist without processors)

P3: a possible solipsistic world must contain an entity (the mind), and may also contain processes (thoughts, etc)

P4: if a possible solipsistic world can be logically conceived, the mind must be an entity ( that may carry out processes)

C1: Therefore the mind is an entity.


So my question would be are brains “entities “ in idealism? From what I gather they would be basically emergent from mind...
So basically, what happens if we substitute “mind” for “brain” here.

[arandomyorkshireman]

Sure, Jesus isn’t a pagan god, but Yahweh is just a Canaanite pagan god.

[JesusFan]

So glad I watched till the end! God Bless!