This is a Dealbreaker For Me (The First Descendant)

We're going over the state of monetization in The First Descendant, and why these two items along being purchasable are a big deal breaker for me when it comes to this game.
#nexon #thefirstdescendant #microtransactions

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[neir]

As a Warframe player, the amount of time to build these things for free are nearly the same, the problem is rushing the build and how much it costs to just buy it out right, in Warframe it costs 20 platinum (4.99 USD gets you 75) to just buy OR you can buy them from vendors/earn them from special event missions or whatever and to rush the build it only costs 10 platinum while in TFD to buy one it's over 19.99 USD and unlike Warframe (atleast for now) you are only given two for free (one for getting a descendant to level 40 and another for beating the main story) and farming these things are absolute hell since the drop chance for them are either 3% from normal mode sources or 6% from hard mode sources. having to pay roughly $25 or pray to RNJesus for a single digit chance for progression is absurd

[urazz]

Big thing is that The First Descendant uses Warframe's microtransaction system but without trading and having the prices being more out of whack compared to Warframe. For example, in Warframe there are reactors, the equivalent of energy activators in The First Descendant, and they cost much cheaper than energy activators in First Descendant.

In Warframe, you can pretty much get platinum, the currency you can buy with IRL money, from trading. You can trade parts, mods, etc. for platinum so it's entirely possible to play the game without having to spend any IRL money so you can get what you need easily and that's not even factoring in grinding the materials and crafting the item.

[mwbobby]

I also find it rather odd that there is not even one of these in the battle pass.

[kelvinramos]

Crazy how they ignore the fact things take progressively longer than other games because they want you to pay for it

[MekaiN]

Orokin reactors and catalysts in warframe are 20 platinum, so for roughly $5 usd (75 plat pack) you can get three of them meanwhile this is far more expensive and hard to get

[chrissturges]

Nexon recently was fined for a loot box that had an advertised high desirable drop item that for various periods of time had a drop rate of 0%. Sadly it was a "cost of doing business" fine of only the equivalent of $9m USD, a far cry from the amount money they made from that loot box.

[nickrobinson]

I'm gonna go as far as I can as a F2p player, but right now I'm enjoying the farming loop and gameplay of the characters over a lot of other games. Ajax is everything I wish titan was, valby is everything I wished yareli was in warframe. I farmed valby freyna in one day and I'm half way done with gley farm as I only need the resources now.

[Rockalanche]

Welcome to Nexon. This seems tame to their other games.

[xeothian]

As someone who has poured countless hours into warframe, a game which at a cursory glance, seems to be the main thing that first descendant copies all of its core systems from word for word, seeing the pricing on the equivalent of reactors/catalysts and forma for this game is obscene, idk how much you get but those prices are crazy for the equivalent items. Not to mention warframe's starter platinum and the fact its premium currency can be traded between players. This just seems like a worse version of warframe's gear monetization, which is not the best by any means in the first place. This just reflects even more poorly on first descendant to me.

[CDUPE]

putting these materials in the shop is also a great motivator in keeping drop rates low

[zorpalod]

I don't get why people defend monetization practices like they have some stake in it or it's going to negatively effect them personally when a company gets called out for being greedy.

[KapalAsin]

First, i want to say that The First Descendant developers took inspirations from Warframe and Destiny. They said it in an interview provided by Gamerant.

Warframe has this purchasable booster/upgrade materials, but much cheaper. Warframe has trading system which alleviates the amount of money spending at a point where you can go full free-to-play while also having premium currency. You can farm the resources and craft these upgrade materials sure but they're tedious, unlike Warframe.

Do i want the developers not to earn their money? No, but these price tag cannot be normalized. Unfortunately, Nexon do what Nexon does and i won't be surprised if they decided to shut down The First Descendant after a few months/years

[lastchance]

No one told Aztecross that its also like 5 times as expensive and several more times difficult than doubling your capacity in Warframe

[josh_lucas]

As someone who lives in Korea, I can confirm this is typical for Korean games. Being able to buy your way to winning is common here. Regardless of if this game is currently appealing to a western audience, you still have korean game developers who are used to egregiously monitizing their games paired with Nexon, one of the worst in the business. Don’t waste your time on this game, it will be dead with a year or two.

[behzadmirmozaffari]

That's the whole mentality behind these kinds of games. I like this game. I enjoy playing it and building my characters. But when I commit a 6 hours grind for ONE piece of a NORMAL Descendent and after I have nothing to show for it, it's obvious the devs are telling me to go screw myself, my time and my effort, and that I should go and buy it from the shop.
There's a limit to my time and my patience and as much as I'm enjoying this game, that limit is fast approaching.

[div]

It's wild that people are okay with the constant creep of monetization getting more and more egregious. As if the whole loot box debacle never existed, little aspects of pay to win keep rearing their ugly head with people defending it as "timesavers". If you don't have a ton of time to play and grind a game, don't worry about it and just play the game more casually, eventually you'll catch up and be able to do endgame anyways.

My dad is in his 60s and plays D2, sure he isn't raiding, but every now and then we hop into a dungeon together. He doesn't need to buy the season rank booster, material packs, or all the dungeon keys.


Games shouldn't be trying to nickel and dime people in ways like these that are completely unnecessary to enjoy the core experience. Games need money to develop, yeah. Skins sell like crazy. Expansions rake in absurd amounts even if they're mid. Anywhere past that is where we drew the line years ago, but the goalposts keep moving. Letting that slide is absurd.

[defrte]

It's from Nexon...let's stop being surprised. The games will always be a manipulative cash grab.

[HowToasted]

Being able to buy the activators is something I’m not having a issue with, it’s how much they cost for how many you get. Warframe allows you to buy their reactors but they are much much cheaper

[clintonchico]

The grind for those upgrade part is real.

[CrimsonFIame]

The fact that there's always people defending this continues to show me why so many online games are in such a bad state these days. Keep using "why do you care how people spend their money" all you want just don't be surprised when majority of the games playerbase leaves because of stuff like this. Which always happens. You guys are going have to learn sooner or later to stop being so reckless/irresponsible with your money.