Apologists vs Empiricism

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[gatorboymike]

Equivocating "abstract" with "supernatural" is one of the most commonly checked off squares on the apologetics Bingo card.

[DC_Prox]

Every time he says "okay?" or "alright?" I wonder if his batteries need to be changed.

[neonshadow]

I love how they often pause .. like, "how am I gonna rationalize the stupidity that's about to come out of mouth?"

[XarXXon]

It's the whole: "do not rely on your own understanding" BS again. Yet theists wonder why they're often considered wilfully ignorant.

[DC_Prox]

Koukl is practically the embodiment of "does this guy actually believe the abject nonsense he's spewing, or is he just that good at lying?"

[robertlight]

Mr Koukl believes in a Bronze Age fable from early Sumeria about a bare naked lady taking dietary advice from a chatty snake. Makes perfect sense!

[RustyWalker]

Trying to get all 5 in there."
It's been a long time since anybody thought there were only 5 senses.

[TerminallyChill]

People don't make enough of a point about how extremely suspicious it is that Christianity places such an emphasis on the virtue of believing things without evidence. Under what circumstance is that relevant to morality? Why would a God care if you believed in him while he was intentionally hiding? That's like calculus problems being the most important parts of a driver's test. Why are there all these needlessly complex arguments to prove knowledge that should be evident and accessible to all God's children?

[fretbuzz]

I may not smell, see, tough, taste, or hear my thoughts, but I still experience them. I still know my thoughts are happening because I directly observe them happening.

[netic_fx]

Greg… you have more than five senses, we just break it down that way for children.

[AnnoyingNewsletters]

Give me back my Beetlejuice flannel, Greg!

[localhamster]

"A single picture is worth a thousand words, a single taste is worth a thousand pictures" - Can't recall where this is from but I think it belongs here..

[sbushido]

At the end they make those statements about morality as if the same thing doesn't apply to their beliefs. They can assert they have some objective basis for it...but that's literally all it is: an indemonstrable assertion.

[Templetonq]

Induction is not faith. Tentatively trusting data from other sources is not authority.

[XDRONIN]

1) I think Greg Koukl is trying to set a really bad False Dichotomy
2) The Five Senses is really just the Brain interpreting or processing everything around
-- The argument from apologists such as Koukl is that _we can't trust our brains, we must trust God_ And... How do you reach that conclusion with your Untrustworthy Brain, Mr. Koukl??

[ploppysonofploppy]

Kougl's argument seems to be that you can never trust what you read. So if you read that 19th century Japanese history book, you must obtain a major history qualification before you are justified in accepting it as fact.
That would mean you can’t be a Christian without a theology degreee.

[Barely_Evolved_Cognition]

Greg Koukl always comes off like one of absurdist playwright Samuel Beckett's characters; Deliberately misunderstanding the intent of the question & pontificating superficially reasonable arguments, which become less connected with reality, the more that you actually think about them...

[thoperSought]

1:40 _"Are you smelling [what you're thinking], tasting it, feeling it, ... seeing it, or hearing it? No..."_
actually *_yes._* some of it isn't conscious, sure, but HOW THE FUCK ELSE CAN WE REPRESENT THINGS, Greg??? "knowing" *_is_* one or more of those things. if I'm trying to remember which way to turn at the next stop light, I guarantee you I'm imagining the stop light _visually._ if I reach for my phone without looking, I'm either feeling—via proprioception—where I put it down, or I'm visualizing where I saw it last

the brain knows only what comes in through the senses, so things generated internally are also organized in those senses

[blahblingo]

Why does anyone listen to this guy?

I mean Greg.

The same guy whose "strategy" in conversations with atheists is to continue to ask "why?", reducing ones answer to "I dont know" or absurdity so that he can say, "aha! YOU have no reason while I DO!!" (even though "cuz god" _isnt even a reason_ )

[tiyenin]

The credulence is strong with these ones.