The Calvinism DEBATE: Redeemed Zoomer vs Leighton Flowers

This debate/discussion is on soteriology. @redeemedzoomer6053 & @Soteriology101 will discuss whether Calvinism or some other position makes the best sense of what the Bible reveals on the topic. Redeemed Zoomer has a massive audience, and features clear presentations of issues that can be difficult to grasp. Leighton Flowers is a professor at Trinity College of the Bible & Theological Seminary. He hosts the youtube channel linked below, and focuses on problems he sees with Calvinist exegesis.

Each man will have about ten minutes to express themselves before an open dialogue.

[chaos_to_new]

Gotta say, this was one of the best, most respectful discussions on this topic I have ever seen.

[rickydettmer]

Refreshing to see someone debate leighton who’s not James white

[jonathannerz]

Now THIS is how you dialogue with Christians of differing viewpoints.

[billylindsey]

Im a fan of both Dr Flowers and Redeemed Zoomer so when i saw this debate I was ecstatic. Amazing discussion that I hope shows the rest of the church world we can have these talks without getting angry and spiteful towards each other and that we're all brothers in Christ first and foremost. Glad to see these two display this at the highest level.

[bobthrasher]

I think it makes more sense for Leighton to engage with Calvinists who are willing to have sensible discussion and actually engage the "points of contention."

[bilbobaggins]

Richard has to be one of the most likable Calvinists of all time!

[Theos_thinker]

Great discussion! Glad I could tune in.

[danielcartwright]

I bet James White would be fuming if he heard redeemed zoomer saying how much Calvinists inherited from Roman Catholicism. 😂😂😂

[robertdeuel]

1:24:25 I found it refreshing to that Redeemed Zoomer has a Calvinist admitted he begins with his Augustine Presuppositional framework.

[AndrewKeifer]

Compatibilism is like freefall: If pushed off of a cliff, you're free to fall.

[humejephcott]

The question and issue really is predestination of whom to what? What does the Bible actually say? It is not whether or not we believe IN predestination but WHAT predestination we believe in.

[jeremymace]

"I don't care about the Council of Orange" is my favorite part of this entire conversation.

[joezola]

"We're not discussing calvinism, we're discussing predestination." Trinity titles it "Calvinism vs Provisionism" 😂

[ericolsen]

I very much admire how congenial these gentlemen are. This is not how many of these dialogues go online.

[TheChurchSplit]

Nothing like reading Romans 9 divorced from its socio-political and cultural backdrop divorced from chapters 8, 10, 11 to be convinced Calvinism is true.

[jessg]

This debate was so refreshing and more productive than others I have seen. Thanks to all 3 of you! So good at minute 1:16:00 where Redeemed Zoomer recognizes that anthropology (total depravity/inability) is a key difference and would best be addressed first before having the debate on Romans 9 or the philosophical aspects of the debate. Yes! Again related issue of first mover concept addressed at minute 1:39:00 RZ rejects libertarian free will because he thinks it makes us like God. LF argues that it doesn’t because it comes with a range of choices and limitations given by God and the very ability to have the free choice was designed by God. I was just so happy that it felt the nail was hit on the head. With that, I would just like to see future debates on Total inability because everything between the two views rises or falls from there.

[DN-yvgq]

The young man is definitely a better advocate for Calvinism than White, just because of his demeanor.

[zekdom]

Time-stamp

38:10, 38:30 - compatibilism
40:20 - choice and cause, the determiner of choices
41:50 - What makes you choose one thing over the other, if not your greatest desire?

44:50 - Jesus and two wills

[mooaaron]

i watch both Redeemed Zoomer and Soteriology 101 and I appreciate their willingness to have a good and constructive debate with love and humility

[AlexanderosD]

Excellent discussion!
Thank you for hosting this Trinity Radio.
Love Leighton and love Richard. Great talk among brothers in the Lord.