The Problems With The DCEU

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[stevnj]

The behind the scenes stuff with DCEU is more interesting than the movies themselves

[MrJllyTOWN]

I liked the vibe/direction of peacemaker where the world exist and everyone in it just knows that these heroes exist. It felt more open and free

[TimeisReel]

"The Problem is Simple. The DCU is trying to catch up all at once, with Marvel. Who has established it's Characters and movie Universe for over 20yrs..."

[sscindersh]

Unfortunately, the stuff with the Rock extends beyond the DC drama and that falls in some part on his shoulders. He has forgotten that he has to work with other people under other people's rules. He got to a point where he believed he can make all the rules if he is going to work on a project. I think that caused part of the problems between the Rock, Vin Diesel and the Fast and the Furious series.

[SGCentral]

The first problem was thinking they needed to have a cinematic universe to begin with. The Batman made more money than Man of Steel and BvS and The Joker is one of the biggest success stories of all time. DC probably could've just adapted popular stories, mainstream or otherwise, and put an emphasis on story quality with solid marketing and they would be a breath of fresh air compared to the MCU which is currently falling off more and more every year.

But if they really wanted to push for a cinematic universe, their biggest mistakes were handing these comic book characters over to Zack Snyder in the first place and rushing so much.

Batman v. Superman is proof that rushing to the finish line and having Zack in charge of the overall universe was a bad idea. Zack's opinions on super heroes and comic books have all been mean spirited and so was his universe. His quote about how Batman could be r__ped in prison in his movie is enough for me to not want him working on that character. And we could be here all day talking about the Lex initiated Justice League.

This FOX X-Men mess of a timeline the DCEU is now is proof that nobody had a real plan once Snyder stepped down. Hopefully, James Gunn fixes that.

[asssassyn]

I knew the Dceu would be a mess the moment Superman snapped Zod's neck.

[Iskelderon]

For me it's always been two problems that crippled the DCEU from the start:
1. They wanted to run before they could walk, blindly stumbling into one big event after another instead of telling stories and using the big stuff as payoffs.
2. DC always concentrates more on the powers than the people behind it. That's what made the MCU's Iron Man arc so nice, it was ultimately about the redemption of a self-serving asshole into someone who sacrifices himself for others, with him running into threats of his own making along the way. The cool toys he has just provide fluff. Sadly, Marvel has been unlearning that lesson ever since the Endgame aftermath.

[joebove]

For me, it’s a simple problem. They decided to build a DC franchise based on a Superman movie made by people who didn’t particularly like Superman, arguably straight up hated Superman.

[chrisxx]

The first Iron Man movie literally mentioned “the Avengers initiative” in the after credits scene, so Marvel was clearly building to Avengers from day one (I presume because someone saw the high quality of Iron Man 1 and knew it was going to be a smash)

[MadridMonarch]

I appreciate and look forward to DC animated shows and movies much more than the live action movies. In animation you can do so much more and go crazy with it.

[gtwxrld]

I wanted to believe Snyder was not the problem but after him saying he wanted Wonder Woman and the gods to be cryptonian it quickly began to become clear that Snyder didn’t really care much about the characters and was carelessly going to ruine them which gave me some faith in James

[rodmoore]

At this time my son was on top of all the comics news. He told me about Batman v Superman. The selling point was Batman and Superman fighting. Not them joining forces to save the world. Nope. Then it was going to lead to a justice league movie. No introduction of any of the other characters. Just "Boom" a justice league movie. I said, the minute he told me this, I don't think this is a good idea. It just doesn't make any sense. Basically I was right

[purnenduray]

James Gunn is the best thing that happened to DC probably ever . He understands comics, he understands this characters and most importantly he has a plan. Also I'm so glad that he's rebooting this broken universe, he's getting a lot of hate for it from a certain group for recasting their favourite actor but this was long overdue. DCEU was broken from the start, Hamada should have done it, instead of making whatever projects he should have rebooted the universe.
The whole gods and monsters looks amazing, every single project is different and really interesting can't wait to see this universe grow .

[Keizi]

George Miller's Justice League script was great. I woudve definitely loved to see it.

[Saprimacy]

I don't think the MCU was a light crossover event. They introduced Nick Fury and name dropped the Avengers in the first Ironman. Then Stark showed up in the incredible hulk less than a year later. They were laying groundwork for Avengers from the jump.

[VideoGamesAndTheWorld]

When Man of Steel premiered, I thought DCEU was starting a universe that could compete with the MCU. But when I saw the trailer of Batman V Superman, I thought that jumping immediately into the Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns was too rushed. They should've introduced the hero step by step rather than immediately rushing into things. The MCU did it step by step and that's why the Avengers was such a success. With the failure of Suicide Squad (2016) and Joss Whedon's Justice League, the DCEU was doomed.

Still, while the DCEU was struggling in cinema, DC was thriving on television with the Arrowverse, Young Justice, Titans, Watchmen, Doom Patrol, and Peacemaker.

[amuroray]

Your recent videos have gotten better and better
You do a good job explaining the background of certain superhero films and stories and how they came to be

[verbalkint]

Chasing Marvel is what got WB in trouble. Watching the throne and trying to duplicate it without organic world building is why. James Gunn’s best work is now behind him in Guardians of the Galaxy. WB and DC want to be Marvel. They need to let it go. Wait for Marvel’s run to end and then perhaps revisit the idea. You can’t successfully build up your own universe while you are simultaneously trying to live in someone else’s

[baddragonite]

Funny thing is both the Amazing Spiderman and Avengers almost put easter eggs into their movies hinting at a crossover between the two

[donaldsherrod]

Love this video...could've sat and listened for over an hour...lots of good points. And yeah Dawn of Justice did try to cover a lot, like the death of Superman. I think X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3 had that same issue. And I also heard the same lack of cohesion existed with the DC comic book universe a year or so ago. But hopefully things will come together.