Did Van Til say “One Person & Three Persons? -Yes!

In this episode, Eli responds to the idea that Van Til’s understanding of the Trinity was contradictory. #presup #trinity #revealedapologetics #vantil

[bobatl]

You and WLC both have a wonderful way of approaching answers with gentleness and respect. There used to be an expression “better to remain silent and be considered a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”. The anonymity of social media posts have eliminated the fool’s hesitation. Thanks for your manner in dealing with them.

[roguecalvinist]

I wanted to add to your answer about "why is it not evil for God to kill all of the firstborn sons of egypt if it would be evil for anyone else to do that"

The wages of sin is death. God is free to hand out that wage as he sees fit - humans are not

[AIiquis]

Why do the atheists waste their time harassing Eli? Why are they so angry? Why are they so vitriolic? There is no logical case, so they resort to ad hominem attacks? I wonder whom they learned that from.

[roguecalvinist]

I've also been considering reviewing the hijab debate. I haven't seen it yet, but I don't know how Craig supports the Trinity without a trinitarian soteriology branching from it(unless he's just defending to philosophical possibility of the trinity, which would be up his alley) . It would be a blind review.

I said none of this to suggest that I should be your expert since I'm not one. Definitely still find an expert

[marklar]

I believe reading Van Til... he was playing with one and many phil. paradigm. He always said God is One and many, pointing towards one nature and plurality of persons. Also God's persons create such unity, that we can speak about person of God.

[DordtiusVanSolis]

Hey, if James White cant do a review of the debatewith Hijab, try getting Anthony Rogers!

[KK-AA-YY]

The Trinity heresy exposed in one Bible verse ...

HEBREWS 9:24
(Darby Bible Translation)
""For the Christ is not entered into holy places made with hand, figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us:""
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[Qualier]

Eli, why can revelation only be from a conscious being? You claimed it was contradictory, but you didn't give a reason and it doesn't seem to be a logical contradiction? Could you expand?

[csvfernandez]

Fallacy of equivocation on the get go.

[nickjones]

Hillarious to hear, elis supposedly objective morality is the SUBJECTIVE OPINION OF HIS IMAGINARY FRIEND!

Looks like you're blown eli!

Why would anyone believe a single thing you say ever again?..

[nickjones]

This is truly hillarious. The dishonest mental gymnastics you have to concoct to desperately try to justify your ridiculous unsubstantiated claims is absolutely laughable.

But at least eli is selling his courses to the simple minded.

[nickjones]

Lol Tell us eli, if you absurdly CLAIM your god is the seorce of your objective morality is it objectively wrong to kill innocent babies?

Let's all watch and giggle as eli runs like a child from the question..

[russellsteapot]

It's amusing that Van Til's little line about "they can count, but they can't account for counting" comes from a trinitarian view that seems to have a serious problem with 'counting' in the first place! The trinity is commonly seen as a 'mystery' BECAUSE it seems to be a logical contradiction. You can have 1 distinct subject with 3 predicates (a ball can be spherical, blue and have a radius R), but if you have 3 distinct subjects (3 separate balls), you no longer have 1 subject, because you've already conceded that there are 3! 🤣
If the apologist is stuck with a particular script and their job is to try and make sense of content that does NOT make sense, then it's a tough gig. If you're not permitted to go unitarian, not permitted to embrace polytheism, but are deeply committed to 3 = 1 being true (despite it making no sense), then appealing to "mystery" (which is a non-explanatory pseudo-solution to this counting problem) is probably the only route left to take?
But if you have something incoherent at the foundation of a "worldview", yet are claiming that this "worldview" is the ONLY one that is coherent, you should note that there's some real tension there.

[gabrielteo]

God is the preconditions of intelligibility, but we cannot use this intelligibility to understand God in the trinity? You also don't have a trinity. You have God as a donkey and a burning bush and as an old man in the garden. That's 6. There is probably more.

[ChainsGame]

I understand you cant address all of the objections in your live chat, but you overlooked a few of my responses. So let me point out that simply taking the position that it is abhorrent to kill the firstborn of Egypt is not in itself begging the question. Begging the question is when the conclusion is contained in the premises. What _is_ begging the question however is when you insisted that whatever God does is holy because it is within God's nature to be holy. Nice try accusing me of exactly what you are guilty of.