What Were The NOBLE PAGANS? w/ John Daniel Davidson

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John Daniel Davidson answer's a question Matt Fradd asks him about how his thesis about paganism fits with the idea of the noble pagan. John talks about their lack of power and what that says about the Pagan cultures.

[andrewpearson]

Noble pagans exist today. I sponsored one into the Catholic Church last year: a born mystic interested in philosophy, knowing sin and temptation and virtue firsthand, from a harsh background with little Christian influence. We're going to see a lot more of them in the near future, emerging from the big new God-free zones of America and Europe, and they will be marvelous specimens even before the Church gets to work on them. There probably won't be any Catoes or Aristotles since the world doesn't value clarity of thought that much anymore, but we'll have impressive converts of every kind, from Mortimer Adler to John Wu to Red Cloud.

[tomasrocha]

Cato didn't rule? He was a very prominent politician. Aristotle tutored Alexander the Great. Trajan was considered a noble pagan by Dante too.

[christopherflux]

Marcus Aurelius was a noble Pagan and he was Emporer of Rome for about 20 years.

[ARMNIUS]

Virgil was a noble pagan poet. In Eclogues, some say he predicted the coming of Christ.

[SweetMali_G]

When Pagans clash with Pagans the worse one usually wins because of whom their “gods” back

[KageMinowara]

List of Noble Pagans Who Ruled

Hector of Troy
Alexander The Great
Julius Caesar
Marcus Aurelius
Trajan
Darius The Great
King Leonidas of Sparta
Aurelian
King Conchobar mac Nessa of Ulster

[tomasrocha]

In pagan Rome the discarding of babies was condemned by everyone that wrote about it e.g. Musonius Rufus and Julius Paulus

[ThanksStJoseph]

Christopher Check did a great talk for the ICC using a section of Chesterton’s Orthodoxy as a guide about the noble pagans. Good stuff!

[rubenandrewsanchez]

How can you compare Jordan Peterson to Aristotle.

[greypilgrim]

Having the evolution of the "arguments" by the baby killers and the child mutilators laid out like that really makes my mins boggle at how this is allowed to happen.

[Caoimhin]

Do you plan on releasing the full interview? Soon?

[avechristvs]

Peterson is Christian Catholic. He just hadn't said it

[ransomcoates]

Such embarrassing ignorance of history. Abortion became illegal in Roman law as the deprivation of a man’s right to an heir. Exposed children were more than likely picked up at appointed spots by people who wanted one. This fellow lacks basic knowledge, ‘like, you know’, of classical culture.

[franzwohlgemuth]

John does 0 research into anything. His whole "Pagan ethos" of "Nothing is true and everything is allowed" is from a video game. He doesn't actually know anything.