Gavin Newsom & Hannity Have BOMBASTIC Debate | The Kyle Kulinski Show

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers — loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.

“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”

The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on YouTube. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.

“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”

But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news — the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.

It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.

“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”

With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on YouTube, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do — even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.

While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.

But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks — who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago — the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.

Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king — the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.

I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”

And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”

Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”

It’s probably for the best — the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all — class issues,” he said on a recent episode.

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[supernamek]

Newsom just set the blueprint on how a Democrat fights back.

[cardiacresp]

It wasn’t a debate, it was a complete and total humiliation for the Hannity. Newsom destroyed hannity, it wasn’t even close.

[thekingbradable]

You could say what you want about Newsom, but he’s never gonna be bullied by any Republican

[TihetrisWeathersby]

Hannity came off as though he wanted Gavin to run or even encouraging him, They just want chaos

[Westlander]

I’m not a huge fan of Newsom, but I’ll admit it’s very refreshing to see a center-leaning dem like himself have a little bit of fight in him. He’s among the few of his type to actually call out BS where he sees it.

[rc]

Say what you want about his policies, but Newsom would eat either Desantis or Trump alive in a debate.

[TihetrisWeathersby]

Gavin came off really well, He's definitely more informed than most Democrats

[greg]

Gavin, for all his faults, cooked Hannity.

[josephjohn]

This how a liberal or progressive should challenge fox news anchors unlike Dummy Dore and Glenn Greenwald

[svscared]

I know Newsom has a reputation as an establishment Dem and in some cases it's deserved but I feel like a reminder is in order that he was both mayor of San Francisco and is now governor of California which is essentially two of the most progressive origin points and hotspots in the entire country. As a Californian myself I am immensely proud of the state's progressive culture and reputation and so I feel Gavin deserves some credit for that.

[tormentorxl]

Gavin made it difficult to blatantly lie.

[ChrisCarrasquillo]

Gavin is greasy but being able to pull those numbers off the top of his head is impressive.

[andyprompt]

Im so excited for the end of the era of people who are 8000 years old representing our country and speaking for everyone

[johnwick]

I just like that he kept talking while Hannity was trying to drown him out.

[Hyde_Hill]

The least bad corporate democrat atm. And he is really good in these interviews and actually taking the offensive in rhetoric.

[josephjohn]

Dummy Dore would have entirely agreed with Sean Hannity

[Lebowski]

Gavin looks like the actor playing a politician in film.

[mbgreenly]

People are wasting time banking on perfection, as if an upcoming candidate (who has a fighting chance) is gonna check every single box on our wishlist. I'm staunchly left, but I'm not gonna bitch and moan over politcal fantasies. Sad to say, this is a war, and we're in this for a long haul. The fight will not end overnight, and Gavin has proven his capacity to throw eloquent and fact-based punches. We need to stop crying and adopt a realistic but hopeful perspective. There will never be angels in this race—at least not any victorious ones within the next decade. Real change takes time, as much as we'd like to expedite it.

That being said, as of right now, Newsom has the right approach.

[tamikkajohnson]

Newsom was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle. He knows how to respond to wild commentary.

[stenergut]

he should run for president. he has the charisma, age etc.
and he could definitely win a primary.