Animal Protein vs. Plant Protein and Fermented Plant Protein with Dr. Ben Bikman

Dr. Ben Bikman explains the importance of choosing the right protein sources as we age. He emphasizes that animal proteins are superior because they provide all the essential amino acids in an optimal mix and come with fats that aid digestion.

This is crucial for combating anabolic resistance, a condition where the body struggles to build muscle protein as effectively. Dr. Bikman notes that while plant proteins can be part of the diet, they often contain antinutrients and heavy metals that hinder protein absorption. Fermentation, a traditional method used by various cultures, can improve the quality of plant proteins by reducing these harmful components and enhancing amino acid availability.

Dr. Bikman also highlights that his advocacy for fermented plant proteins is rooted in scientific understanding, not commercial interest, as he no longer benefits from his former company that produces such products.

He underscores that fermented plant proteins, like tofu, can be a viable alternative when properly processed, but he maintains that animal proteins remain the superior choice for ensuring adequate protein intake and effective muscle maintenance in aging populations.

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[meatdog]

Thank you Dr. Bikman, I have been telling everyone I know these plant facts. It's so hard to get people to listen .

[maidomaidonaidekka]

Tofu is a processed soybean food made by solidifying soy milk (soybean juice) with a coagulant (such as bittern). It is not a fermented food like natto, which is also made from soybeans. Of course, the process of making tofu does not cause soybeans to spoil.

[bme]

As a break from animal protein on occasion, my main source of fermented plant is sauerkraut, since I can't stand things like kimchi.

[Wyobrd]

There is a fermented tofu in Chinese cuisine but everything over here isn't fermented. Natto, tempeh, miso and traditionally prepared tamari are all fermented.

[davidgifford]

20” in Dr Bikman produces the correct and un arguable answer!

[ErvanariaAngolana]

Dr. Bikman was most likely referring to fermented Tofu rather than Natural Tofu. There is also another product derived from fermented soy which is Tempeh.

[v.a.n.e.]

Doc, would you kindly devote some of your time to addressing the lack of pentadecanoic acid, C15, as a potential (new) cause of insulin resistance, which has been the subject of much debate lately?

[petergriebel]

Tofu is not fermented. It is made from soybeans that are soaked, ground, boiled, and then curdled using a coagulant, which results in the formation of soy curds. These curds are then pressed into blocks to make tofu. Miso on the other hand is fermented.

[lat]

Pease pudding hot, pease pudding and barley stew, mash and cakes. Traditional UK peasant food.

[lemunbalm]

So, he confused tofu with tempeh - so what? You are really going to bash him for that?

[livingontheedge]

If only I could get my family to understand and adopt a proper human diet.

[donkorte]

Sorry but tofu is not fermented… the most available fermented version would be tempeh… in Japan natto is quite common and loaded with k2…
If you can stomach it more power to you…

[BiltongJerky]

Chongkukjang is the Korean version of fermented soy which unlike natto is much less slimy. It makes for a great stew flavoring with meats, if, you like the stink like me. There are videos of how you can make it at home, if you dare, because grocery versions are generally not organic; whereas you can find organic natto in larger Asian groceries. Tofu are generally not fermented unless it says so on the package.

[Philusteen]

I will say that given all the plant protein powder out there, adding a couple of grams of leucine seems helpful.

[papillonbleu]

Thank you for this! I have a lot of food sensitivities and I’ve found OWYN protein powder doesn’t affect me negatively. How would I know if the pea protein in it is safe?
I have dysphagia lusoria and sometimes have protein shakes to get more protein in my day.

[JakeRichardsong]

Many plant food have all 9 essential amino acids. Plant proteins are not at all inferior.

[marknease]

Does fermentation remove lectins from the plants?

[cassieoz]

I thought tofu was chemically coagulated, not fermented?

[brycefbarnes]

Tofu is not fermented. It is not healthy. Tempeh is however fermented.

[oxanarolph]

Tofu is NOT fermented food, it's coagulated.