I Took A Deeper Dive Into The Jannik Sinner Situation...

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[aquirick]

You're literally the first non italian source I found citing Bortolotti's case.

Thank you, what happened to him can help disprove many of the malignity around Sinner "having preferential treatment because he is number 1".

[fdonelli]

I think that an important detail also is the fact that 2 out of 3 experts that judged the case didn't know who was the subject of the investigation.

[irqsoee]

things you missed
-amount was deemed not performance enhancing
-2nd positive test was linked to the same dose he tested positive in the first test (8 days apart)
-sinners legal team followed the same rules that were in place for everyone else, cases vary, legal teams vary

for example halep INJESTED roxadustat (not commonly contained in any medical kit that you can purchase without prescription) in amounts deemed performance enhancing. her legal team for multiple reasons wasnt able to follow the same route sinners legal team was able to, and in the end she was never fully cleared unlike sinner.
i dont understand people saying he got preferential treatment.

[pooolish]

People talk like that spray gave Sinner super powers smh. Im sure caffeine has more performance enhancement effect than that silly spray.

[ada]

As a nurse, knowing what I have witnessed about the general public's attitudes towards handwashing/contamination...personally, I find the story about Naldi massaging Sinner's feet without gloves while having a cut that is past the initial healing stage to be unfortunately believable, although as a physiotherapist he should have known better. I think the majority of people would not think twice about making contact with someone with a small cut that has already scabbed over. I can see him applying the spray to speed up the healing in terms of preventing a scar, despite the cut already being healed at that point. Also, the definition of "open wound" is kind of vague, I don't believe the cut would have been open in terms of being able to mix blood with Jannik, but people underestimate the permeability/absorption capabilities of the skin barrier especially when it is compromised.

[JohnPaulJones-eo]

The 'two tests' part is so misleading and dangerous by the journalists. Its not like his two positives were taken at two completely different points in the year, but 8 days apart, while being continuously exposed by the physio unknowingly. Both tests had basically the same minute amount. This indicates that he was under constant contamination within the 8 days of the two tests, and there wasn't any sort of decay of the compound during body metabolism. The amount was also shown to have no enhancing effect on his performance, and his file was reviewed by experts anonymously (they don't know player's identity or rank to protect objective resolution). If you dont trust the experts, idk what to tell you... His biological passport has been CLEAN all other times of his career. Players are tested several times throughout the year, and always at the major slams. The headline of all these articles discredits a lot of the things sinner has accomplished throughout his career smh... people need to learn to not just read headlines and to make informed opinions before passing judgment.

[cavon_]

The only people who overreacted are those who didn't bother to read about the case. Their only source of information were media headlines and comments by people on social media who also didn't read about the case

[vcostaval]

whats crazy to me is how people rage about double standards saying that x or y player got banned for a decade despite being innocent and how it was unfair to them, and then proceed to demand the same thing to be done to sinner in the name of "justice". i mean, nothing better then keep being unfair in the present and future because someone was treated poorly in the past, right? why bother improving the system and procedures so that such unfair incidents won't happen again

i think instead of raging at sinner for how his case has been developed and demanding he's given the same said harsh and unfair penalties due to past cases beeing terribly handled, the focus should be on standardizing and clarifying the rules, so that in the future players are guaranteed fair treatment like sinner was, as djokovic said

[artmide]

I've been reading the same objections for days, when the case has been explained and re-explained.
And these objections are always brought forward by the same people.
Misinformation is now no longer an excuse. Who could understand, understood.
The others will go on and on creating a case and suspicions because they are haters.
Before they had other excuses to attack Sinner, later they will find others.
Haters gonna hate.

[CarmineDiGiorgio-qx]

Thanks.
Finally somebody who treated the argument with a much higher amount of depth. Thank you for this.

First of all I, declare it, I am a Sinner fan.

There are a few considerations I'd like to add:
1) Nobody explains why the case wasn't made public. According to what I heard from experts it seems that according to ITIA rules, if the appeal is successful the player can keep on playing and the process cannot become public. This is a rule and not special treatment for being Nr. 1. Marco Bortolotti ranked 355 had the same treatment. Now, can anybody think this is a bad idea? Can anyone imagine what would have happened during this last summer in the social media while Yannik was playing tennis waiting for the definitive judgement? Great success for bloggers and haters!!!!
2) If ITIA let Yannik play it is only because it was absolutely clear that this was not a case of doping and the final judgement would have confirmed the innocence. Otherwise ITIA would have suspended him. There is no shortcut here.
3) Nowaday players have a biological passport that helps ITIA to understand very quickly if Sinner was doped. Sinner's passport was in order. Maybe in other cases the passports were not in order and this made the difference?
Could you please explain in a future video how the biological passport works for everybody to understand it? It would be very helpful for the future for tennis supporters that really want to understand things. Obviously it will be useless for normal haters.
4) The players that get to the final stage of tournaments are systematically tested and Yannik must have been tested innumerous times since Wimbledon 2023 with no failed test.
5) Clostebol is an absolutely unsophisticated substance used in the years 70/80 ot the past century for Eastern Germany athletes. Nowadays this substance is well known and therefore absolutely easy to detect.
6) Now, does anybody think it is logical that Yannik could decide, at the age of 21, to put his entire bright career at risk using a billionth of a gram of an archaic doping substance easily detectable and with no effect on his performance? Where is the logic???
7) I wish that Yannik's colleagues had taken the time to read the 33 pages of the sentence and the ITIA rules before expressing their opinion on such a delicate case.

[stefanodellanna]

Speaking as a person with a bachelor's and master's degree in exercise science and currently in a PhD program, I think this story tells us how often elite athletes work with inexperienced professionals and how often the role of physiotherapists and physical trainers is overestimated.

How is it possible that a physical trainer with a degree in pharmacy (?) allows the physiotherapist with a cut finger, who treats his athlete without gloves (??), to take a drug that in the circuit already made 38 (!!!) athletes in trouble with the anti-doping system (????).

That's the main thing that made me crazy of this whole story.

[nicolaswhitehouse]

I mean judging by his performance at the Us open and the way he is going about it in social media, his attitude hasn’t change a lot, which makes me think that he didn’t intentionally take the substance. He seems to know that he didn’t take purposely and thus he is competing and acting normally. Of course that is speculation.

[hartthartt]

Thank you for a thorough and balanced look at the Sinner doping charge. I agree that the big problem is that many players end up being suspended for a long time and then have the time shortened or they are even cleared. The officials need to develop a process that is much quicker and fairer to the players.

[MaverickZ]

I think because of Sinner's Status in the sport of Tennis this has been blown out of proportion. Double Edge sword.

[stefanocantinotti]

The reason why there have been many cases of positivity to clostebol in Italian athletes, is because in Italy is a very common product and therefore is easy to get contaminated. The small amounts found in Jannik body, have been declared by same people as 'remnants' of higher dosage, forgetting that these athletes have a biologic passport and they are checked very often. Sinner bio passport never reported any trace of prohibited substances

[andyc]

Talks of inconsistency in treatment just failed to understand the rule itself - a basic fact not covered by this vudeo. The rule is that once you are test positive you are subject to liability - including suspension. However, if you can prove on balance of probabilities that you are not at fault or negligence in respect of the positive test (refer to TADP 10.5) then your suspension can be fully eliminated. Further if you can prove on balance of probabilities that you are not at significant fault or negligence in respect of positive test (refer to TADP 10.6) then their suspension can be reduced. The ITIA report on the Sinner case discussed at length the definition of ‘no fault or negligence’ and ‘no significant fault or negligence’ in the TADP rules and precedence in interpreting these rules.

The reduction or elimination of suspension depends on ‘fault or negligence’ or responsibilities or intention as many people think. The two rules test remove any ambiguities in determining whether you get full elimination of suspension period (as was the case with Sinner) and just partial elimination (as was the case with Halep). With Halep, CAS determined that partial reduction of suspension (from 4 years to 9 months) was appropriate as she did not exercise sufficient care when using the contaminated Keto MCT supplement. In other words she bear some fault or negligence but it was not significant in the overall scheme of things. So a reduction of suspension period applied as she was of no significant faults or negligence). However, this means she is NOT of ‘no faults or negligence’ so there cannot be full elimination of her suspension period (as envisaged under TADP Rule 10.5). In the Sinner case, an independent tribunal of three lawyers (after consideration of evidence including those of 3 WADA accredited scientific experts) that Siner was not at fault or negligence so his suspension can be full eliminated (as was the case). By deduction he can never be of ‘no significant faults or negligence’ which would have meant he must still serve some suspension.

There is no ambiguities or double standards rather it is the case of subtle difference in between the absolute of no faults or negligence and no significant faults or negligence - a difference that only lawyers can appreciate even though the consequences are enormous (full elimination of suspension vs just partial). In this respect, it poor form not to include a legal expert in this video rather just rely on the views of tennis players (none of whom have the legal expertise of the three lawyers on the independent tribunal in the Sinner case). Matters are determined by the actual rules and actual evidence not what people thinks on social media (as is the case demonstrated by the reaction to the Sinner case).

[aleksandarfrick]

Djokovic was locked , put in prison, kicked from Australia Open, then whole 2022. played small tournaments and finally US. banned his enter for US.Open in September of same year . Why ? Because he was totally clean .Plus he rejected anti Covid vaccine - but that's Djokovic, man we love to hate . I'm glad he's back and won his 24 Slam in N.Y .

[jonathanchen]

The spray case had a negative affect on him more than positive. Now that it’s behind him, he’s back to being how he was at the start of the season before he was contaminated.

[birdmanstudios]

One thing missing from the video that would have been nice would be an explanation of what the substances does, and how it could be used to enhance performance.