Ezra Klein | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 86

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This was much better than talking to college students. You should do this again.

Jaymaul
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unpopular opinion: Klein actually did make sense at some points and I was interested in what he had to say

elsaluvsnutella
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Love how when Ben Shapiro talks to smart liberals he agrees with all of their analysis but then his counter argument boils down to "but I don't want government to do anything about it"

jackward
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I really enjoyed listening to this conversation. Stop point scoring here, people! There's no winner or loser, just two people who disagree having a civil conversation. We need more of this in politics.

zeboot
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Major respect to Ezra for coming on the show. It's nice to see some dialogue between both sides without screaming at each other.

dfish
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I’m 20 minutes in and think that this is a really important conversation. I get that most people in the comment section are part of Ben’s audience, but Ezra’s point of view likely represents millions of people and he did a great job of defending it. He makes you think about the things that you say you believe, which is the point of conversations like this.

NV-unhn
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Who ever decided equality is an American value? Liberty is an American value, a founding value, and is the antithesis of equality.

johnknestis
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Shapiro is being admirably tolerant of Klein’s talking over him.

adart
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All these comments are so negative. I thought it was a nice interview/debate. Ben made sure to get his two cents in when he wanted, but he also gave Ezra ample time to talk. Respect for Ezra from me.

SoniCraft
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I’m sick of hearing about “historical injustices”, we had a black president, lawyers, mayors, police chiefs, fire chiefs, school superintendents, Muslims in Congress, small business owners, CEOs of major corporations, everywhere I see it as a level playing field nowadays. Hard work, morals, priorities, culture and personal characteristics is what defines the outcomes for everyone today. We can’t keep trying to help every group in America without imposing injustices on another group, whether you define a group by race, color, religion or economics. The world is not perfect, but America is the absolute best country to live in in today’s world. You get out of life what you put into it. Don’t expect free handouts because they’re not free, somebody is ultimately paying for them, and it shouldn’t be me!

pawoodsnwater
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Ezra: Identity is a tool and we should use it to create a more equal society.
Ben: Identity puts the group above the individual and shouldn't be used as a tool for sweeping change.
Ezra: Identity has always been a part of politics.
Ben: It has overwhelmingly produced bad results.
Ezra: I agree, but we can't ignore it so we might as well use it.
Ben: Not only should we not use it, you're idea of the government to be used as a hand of God to right Cosmic Injustices is flawed.
Ezra: The government should definitely be used for the quest for Cosmic Justice.
Ben: The government should step off and let the individual be free as possible.
Ezra: That's important but we should strive to fix problems as much as we can and the government can do that.


Overall a good discussion I think. I'm glad Ben had him on! This is an hour long representation of Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions which is pretty interesting.

Rlyk
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The ones with guests that disagree with Ben are the best

augustv
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I want to be super clear about this...

***Proceeds to be as ambiguous as possible.***

jakesully
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Klein is smart. And Ben can't make a clear point against it.

tobim
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Ben: Here's a question with an example for why I asked it
Ezra: Ok, so let me answer the question I wished you asked
Ben: ... ...

bagoon
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Klein: Let me ask you, why am i drinking out of a Leftist Tears mug?

Ben: Because it's funny. :)

gwynthegnome
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I can’t stand what Ezra Klein has done to ignorant college youth.

mcnewsmcocconcierge
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This man skips over questions like he’s playing duck duck goose. He just chooses whatever topic he wants and ignores the question after 10 seconds of speaking about it.

rchdvdpb
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Benny isn’t as smart when he ain’t debating stoned 20 year olds

travisjones
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Big props to Ben for having anybody on his show, even this guy. Thanks Ben for having and showing us conversations like this.

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