FCAS vs Tempest: Will Germany join the UK's Tempest program for a Super Advanced Future Fighter jet

Recently, there have been rumours that there is a possibility that Germany will join the British future fighter aircraft program (Tempest), which means that Germany will leave France behind in the FCAS program, which has been jointly developed.

"Germany is considering abandoning its €100 billion future fighter jet project with France and joining a rival program with the UK."

[robertaustin]

That’s why they left Eurofighter Typhoon consortium. At least Britain can be relied upon to be truly inclusive, collaborative and unselfish…

[RaySqw]

The United Kingdom has not shared how it plans on developing and delivering new technologies tied to the sixth generation future fighter and associated system of systems known as the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP) with Italian manufacturer and partner Leonardo, according to company CEO Roberto Cingolani.

Led by Italy, Japan and the UK, GCAP is set to launch its “core platform” or next generation fighter plane development phase next year, but a frustrated Cingolani told reporters that he has still not seen “anything specifically as a capability from the UK” and suggested the roles of industry partners were not made “very clear” from a competence assessment, designed to define manufacturing responsibilities.

He said work with partners must be “transparent” and “collaborative, ” adding “it’s impossible to have a 20-year-long consortium with the idea that we don’t share the information.”

For a start, the joint team “should make a serious competence assessment, and then I think there will be surprises, ” he said during a press briefing last week to launch Leonardo’s 2024-2028 industrial plan.

[savethebeesplantherbs]

Britian and germany should sign a cooperation treaty trade, military and innovation there our closet family in europe we are germanic in heritage

[Uap-io]

The MBB Lampyridae (Latin for Firefly) was a low-observable medium missile fighter (MRMF) developed during the 1980s by the West German aerospace company Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB).[1] The programme was terminated during 1987 without any production aircraft having been produced.[2] Germans had a 1980s stealth program.

[MM-wtoo]

UK is better off not partnering with Germany. They’re the reason why euro fighter cannot be exported. UK did the right thing by partnering with Japan and Sweden.

Frankly Germans and French will have an argument half way into the program.

[thesalopian]

If Europe can afford it, great to have both. If one fails, we’ve still got the other.

[annierichards]

The reality is that the French government want FCAS to show la gloire de la France, and Dassault Aviation is determined to be be the undisputed prime contractor. The role of Germany and Spain is to cough up lots of money and do some low tech metal bashing . We were of course in the same place in the 1980's with the Future European Fighter Aircraft" (FEFA) programme, which France left in huff in 1985 when the other countries refused to give it the lead role. France just managed to fund on its own what became Rafale, but it was a close run thing in 1990's. Germany has effectively now played its ace card on the FCAS industrial set-up by threatening to join Tempest, the question now is does France think that this is a bluff and will try to call it? We will see in the next few months. But it is hard to see France being able to produce FCAS on its own. Most likely FCAS will become just a technology demonstrator programme, and the French effort will be placed on developing a new generation Super Rafale that could stay in production through the 2030's. A capable but reasonably priced 4.5G multi-role aircraft that is "western" but not American may well maintain the niche export market that French combat aircraft have held since the 1960s'.

[dominationsrebellion]

It doesn’t matter if the Germany chosen FCAS or Tempest, in either case Germany will have a second role

[knowledgeiswealth.]

Next these 8 countries merge their programs to create a mega 6th gen fighter jet 🔥🔥🔥
That would shock the world and realistically speaking they are allied countries so everyone working with same platforms could benefit eachother

[rimuru]

Europe must be united as well as these two programs

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I'm sure I read somewhere about the Tempest having swarm drones.

[Uap-io]

BAE should have invested more money in project greenglow maybe they could have changed aerospace forever.

[Jack-bszb]

Previous experience has shown the French as less than desirable partners in such programs.

[stephen.]

sweden should join france for scaf programm. Sweden has already built the first autonomous stealth
drone Neuron with france . It was logic to build the stealth scaf.

[Cartoonman]

Nope. Apparently, The Times published an unnamed source, which tends to happen, that reported that Germany was in talks in talks to join GCAP, which has already been denied by Germany and the UK. But, the MGCS project is pretty much dead due to strained relations, so anything is possible at the moment. Also, Sweden is not involved with GCAP or SCAF. Sweden has mentioned that both projects do not align with their current plans.

[d.a.g.c]

Germany is not going to leave the FCAS for tempest it does not make sense.

[sntx]

One, the other or both. They need to make this a reality and quick. It can be the best and must advanced in the world, or it even may not be better than American ones. Europe just needs this. Reinvigorate our military industry, and not buy anything else from USSA. Ever again.

[spc]

France should also go all in with UK and Germany, then they could actually build something together more effectively. Put ego's aside.

[andd]

the English Tempest project in which Italy and subsequently Japan joined is now almost closed, with equal participation shares between the three countries... England 33.33%, Italy 33.33%, Japan 33.33%. Sweden was initially included and then left the project.

[markwoods]

It might of unveiled but that was not the finished model of the 6th gen Fighter it was just a concept, please do your homework .