How NASA doesn't understand the potential of SpaceX's HLS Starship moon lander.

NASA's teleconference:

Starship HLS moonbase idea:

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[juliancrooks]

At the rate NASA is moving sue origin will beat them to the moon. Then they can all stay at a space x resort on the moon.

[imtexaspete]

NASA: Failure is not an option
SpaceX: Fail early, fail often, fast innovation
Blue Origin: Fail

[Strakin]

The shot with the Orion on the Starship looks like a science fiction in which the earthlings meet an advanced civilization

[kneekoo]

I'm undecided if Blue Origin's latest thing is a mock-up or a mockery. It might be both.

[sonnyburnett]

It’s so refreshing to hear straight and honest talk about what is and isn’t going on with NASA and our Manned Space Program.

[landgsmith]

9:45 BO spokesperson “yeah, it’s a prototype of a prototype…it’s made out of cardboard.”

[Zralock]

NASA have very good understanding of the "potential" of SpaceX's Starship. That is why the SLS program wasn't canceled.
Why is that? Because the ONLY advantage the Starship has is the low price. But that is all.
It is no safer, it is no more reliable, it is no reusable (the Moon landing type), it wasn't in space yet and it still has many issues connected with the landing procedure.
So I am very happy that engineers in NASA do understand all the Starship-related risks.

[zzubra]

6:30 says Lunar Starship “should have enough propellant to land on the Moon and return if the payload mass is not maxed out.” How do you figure that? Going from LEO to the Moon’s surface and back to LEO propulsively requires a delta-v of 11.8 km/s. Even if an HLS Starship had a dry mass of only 80 metric tones (which I believe is unrealistically low, given the infrastructure needed to support crew), the delta-v with 1200 tons of propellant would be 10.5 km/s, short of the required 11.8 km/s performance; a 100 ton HLS would have 9.7 km/s of delta-v. To go to the the Moon and back as you describe, Starship needs to either refuel in an elliptical Earth orbit, or aerobrake upon returning to Earth, or there needs to be additional refueling along the way. (An elliptical orbit may or may not be within Dragon’s performance envelope, and poses increased radiation risks. Aerobraking works best with a heat shield and flaps, not present on HLS Starship, though it might also be achieved via multiple passes if you don’t mind spending time in the radiation belts. Offloading fuel in Lunar orbit and then reloading it after ascension could do the trick of ensuring enough delta-v, if one is willing to tolerate the added complication.) The bottom line is that you appear to be oversimplifying how Starship could be used in lunar missions without SLS. Yes, SpaceX-only missions are possible, would be cheaper, and would likely make sense. But, the math just doesn’t seem to work for things to function quite as simply as described in the video.

[jimsuber]

If Elon Musk had been turned loose 10 years ago he would have to come back from Mars to assist NASA in limping to the moon.

[gnurgl]

"I studied mathematics and actuarial science, but weirdly my real passion is baking." -Jixuan

[zincfinger]

Love Sabastian. But I must repeat. The Jobs Program line is in my opinion a cover. Its money. Lots and lots of money going to a few private companies. To call these programs "Jobs Programs" is to support the myth that there are just too many engineers and not enough for them to do right now. I certainly don't think Elon would agree with that!

[zaguar]

The old space shuttle tech SLS is *currently* the only rocket capable of sending Orion to the Moon with humans aboard - Starship/Superheavy aren't ready yet - so in that regard, Nelson's statement is correct. It's frustrating how the politicians constantly play bait & switch with NASA initiatives. I've seen this kind of thing happen again and again - it's enough to turn an Apollo era space enthusiast into a grumpy old man. Thank goodness for SpaceX!

[DTHRocket]

You mean private sector more efficient than government? Say whaaaa?

[NJTDover]

Orion is a total waste of money, Damned!!! On the other hand, I really feel sorry for those people working for Dr Evil's BO.

[eric]

"Wheres my engines, Jeff?" - ULA

[bbcummings]

I agree with this article, the big problem is that NASA, "Nelson " will jump to the head of the line saying look at me and what a good job I DID!

[john]

I will be glad when SpaceX is free to do their job with no strings attached

[mattc]

I love your work, Sebi. I also share your frustration with NASA. Without SpaceX, we will never get back to the moon to stay.

[SEEN-scsf]

I absolutely LOVE your content! It's nice to see that there are science based youtube channels out there! Please keep up the good work.

[wiregold]

I'm amazed at the lack of people in BO propaganda videos. It looks like a museum on a Monday.