ZF's New EV Motor - Autoline On The Road

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Martin Fisher, ZF Board Member, explains how their new synchronous motor works without rare earth magnets.

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I love to hear you talking to the ZF people... they are so innovative.

paulhill
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It is nice to see these future technological developments in the EV space towards efficiency rather than just stuff bigger batteries in everything!

pnketia
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Looks good here, but want to see it in use at high volume production.

Would love for Autoline to do an Afterhours show where they go over vaporware and true products from the past few years of expos and auto shows. Many products look good in the moment, but many never reach market.

Maybe it could be a series of Afterhours so you can group together products in certain categories and bring in people with real experience and knowledge in that area. Maybe some of the Munro Live team would join in this.

Keep up the great work Autoline.

kevtheobald
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The No rate earth battery sounds good. And easily reverse engineered. That is good for everyone. If it is truly scalable. So many engine and battery announcements fade away over the follow up year.

johnryan
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In my opinion, this is the greatest innovation since BLDC.

abstractora
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This is genius. I mean really pure genius. Not only the contactless induction did anyone see how their winding is just ready for high voltage high current !? I wonder how much torque and horse power it can handle.

syedminhazuddinrizvi
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BMW and Renault developed patented this motor in 2022, The 5th-Generation Electric Drive System can be found in BMW’s I series vehicles as well as BMW’s plug-in hybrid vehicles.

manoja
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Very cool you can demo a new motor and it fits on the little table in front of the speakers. One of the cool things you can do with a motor with no magnets is you can control the properties of the virtual magnets with software. That allows you to tune everything without actuators or moving parts like you have in some other motors. You can even retune the motor depending on speed and drag of vehicle in real time.

frankcoffey
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Amazingly Brilliant! Are these electric motors available commercially yet? Greetings from Nubia & Potsdamhafen, Madang Province, Papua New Guinea!

luimackjohnson
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1:37 "Hey, aren't you that guy from YouTube?"

JustWastedHoursHere
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Should save some weight and size too? Could also improve regen and braking?

rogerlafrance
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unfortunately everyone's not been paying attention, this is a further adaption of the 5th Gen Syncronous (sealed brush) AC motors BMW is already running in their new i4, i7, iX, and forthcoming i5. these too were expressly designed to forgo dependency on using rare earth magnets. so see contrary to the HYPE and PROPAGANDA Tesla is not able to "out engineer" the Germans, and these BMW's are available for purchase NOW... enjoy.

phillyphil
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I'd still like to know how using power instead of a permanent magnet makes the motor more efficient. Sounds less efficient to me.

anvilsvs
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Did he duck the output question? Couldn't understand him. 300kw was mentioned but that was the commercial vehicle size supposedly.

jdcarguy
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Induction motors have been used in manufacturing for decades.

puffnstuff
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Impressive, a starter adapted with NIKOLA TESLA technology. NIKOLA TESLA INNOVATED AND EVERYONE COPIED.
🙏🏼🇧🇷🙏🏼
🇧🇷👍🇧🇷

RODOLFO.M.S
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So we have an induction motor. Not sure what the breakthrough is.

jameshoffman
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This is not new. Mahle came out with their inductive coupling 'magnetless' motor two years ago and claimed 96%+ peak efficiency. The ZF design seems to have only reduced the size of the inductive coupler used to excite the rotor.

In the future, could some of these designs turn out to be more efficient overall than permanent magnet synchronous motors, by using the ability to fine tune the rotor's magnetic field for different operating conditions?

ZF, Mahle and others need to score actual design wins for production car models. Go for high volume, low cost rather than trying to recover the R&D expense from a smaller volume of motors.

dgupta
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brushed motors? Who does ZF think they are competing with? serious question 🤔

Poxenium
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Aloha, gotion is a Chinese country making batteries for many EV and other lithium battery users. Don’t you mean VW is contracting to buy Gotion batteries pre packaged in a Gotion designed and built platform? This is VW buying someone less batteries. It is a cost center, not a Remus center for them.
VW is struggling to build batteries. FORD is now stuck further back in line, it seems, because VW can not 0achieve its battery manufacturing goals AGAIN.

So VW is outsourcing battery packs and Ford is SOL
Right?

johnryan