How did Oromë get the Elvish Ambassadors (Ingwë, Finwë & Elwë) to Valinor? - Tolkien Lore

We answer an interesting user Lore Question. Before the Great Journey of the Elves: how did Oromë got the Elvish Ambassadors, Ingwë, Finwë & Elwë, to the west continent Aman (to Valinor to be precise)?

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The Lord of The Rings (1954-1955) by J. R. R. Tolkien
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[ThePhilosophersGames]

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[MarkoBotsaris]

I find I have no problem imagining Orome just riding over the ocean on his (also divine) horse as if it were grass, if he so desired. Likewise, for imagining him giving a whistle and having three of Nahar’s brood materializing for their journey to Aman. But possibly there were material rules that had to be followed for the Elves. If so, too bad - how good a tale would it have been when you got back that you got to ride a magical horse over the ocean. But the after particularly tiring days on the subsequent mass journey west I can imagine some of the Elves saying, “hey Orome, would it kill you to conjure up a few more of those magical horses”?

[PriscilaTV]

As usual, thank you for the amazing video and for always giving credit to artists!

[thefetters]

These are great Chris! I like these short videos and the 5 hour VODs. Keep up the great work.

[kylemoore]

I can't see Orome forcing the 3 kings he's trying to convince to come live in Aman to cross the Helcaraxe.

Since it was described as such a great hardship for the Noldor that wouldn't have made such a good first impression

[GreatGreebo]

Another excellent video Chris…as usual, thank you for all your hard work making these videos!

[RicoThingol]

Great video! Always happy to see stuff from the early days.

[planes]

I think my favorite is the Silmarillion. One of my favorite valar is Orome. Thanks for doing this video.
Sincerly Darren from Canada

[jrrlovecraft]

I have often thought of this question myself but I always imagined Nahar as riding over the Ocean because he is (as Sam would put it), "magic". Likewise, I just assumed the Elves rode on Nahar with Orome for the journey to and from Valinor, and they would have avoided the North due to the extreme environment on the Elves.

[horcruxhunter]

Excellent video! I agree with Christopher Tolkien- the travel itself is “mythological” in nature. In my mind, a solid explanation would spoil some of the mystique of it. It’s fun to Speculate tho! :)

[Enerdhil]

I think Helcaraxe sounds logical, especially if Christopher said it himself. There is no other way they could have crossed over to aman without uding boats, rafts, canoes, or ships UNLESS Aulë and Ulmo worked together to form a stone bridge that rose up out the ocean, which is something they could have done.

[alexiachimciuc]

I heard that in the new Amazon production Galadriel swims for a long distance. Maybe they swim to Aman!? 😂

[jimpanse]

Galadriel swam the whole tour on her own

[istari]

I liked this video and would welcome more of them. As far as how the Elvish ambassadors got to Valinor, my only thought is that if they were carried on Nahar, that horse was probably closer to an elephant in size.

[stellagetreuer]

I think it them crossing the ice is the only really plausible answer. Crossing over the sea on a horse would likely have frightened them to death and is also VERY risky. Imagine them slipping.
Also, by tales of Finwë, Fingolfin would have known the Helcaraxë was an option. And when he arrived in Beleriand, despite having taken part in the kinslaying (though without fully understanding), he is forgiven by Elu Thingol because ‘they paid bitterly for such evils that they did’ (no word perfect quote, but close). That makes 100% sense if he knows the ice. Like ‘ok, being carried over by magic (warm! and fast) horse was bad enough, imagine walking it. Nah, that’s punishment enough’.
Just my humble opinion, though 😅

[diantris]

I'd like to know how were various names chosen. For example, in Austria, there are mountains called Karwendelgebirge and Rofangebirge, which in my language are called Karwendel and Rofan - sound close to Rivendell and Rohan, don't they? I wonder if that might have been an inspiration and if there are more.

[shawn]

I think Orome gave them divine horses and rode across the helcaraxe. With those divine horses, they rode swiftly so the harsh environment didn't affect them. And of course, the power of Orome protected them. Hearing the stories of his father, this would explain how Fingolfin knew to take his people across it into middle earth.

But in the end, it's all headcanon.

[palantir]

If you want to convince the ambassadors of the elves to come to to Aman, would you ride through the north with its hellish climate?

[Enerdhil]

I rhink a more interesting question is: Did Manwë consult Eru as to what to do about His First Childten? Me thinks No.

[thallus]

I thought the elves were transported by an island.