Wife Reacts to 'The Goat' LeBron James Highlights!

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[anthonyibarra]

He’s also only been on 3 teams my boy 😭😭

[ManWhoTfAreYou]

He’s only been on 3 teams and won a ring on every team?

[camctrail]

8:22 that was kinda the story of LeBron throughout his first few years (2003-2011). He was just bigger, stronger, faster, and more naturally talented than any other player, and he coasted by on that. He had monster individual seasons but his lack of a consistent jumpshot and a couple other things meant that his playstyle could be exposed over a long playoff series where teams have time to gameplan for him.

After being humiliated in the 2011 Finals and still after 8 seasons without a championship, LeBron really went to work. He improved many areas of his game, and essentially became the perfect player. There wasn't a single aspect of basketball he wasn't superb at, and because of all the improvements he made to his game (along with superhuman durability and longevity), LeBron James at age 38 just finished his 20th season averaging more points per game than he did in his peak seasons.

[MoSuli]

Wow coming from 2 people who have no clue what it takes to maintain 20 years of unprecedented sustained greatness what a slap in the face to LeBron to say he never had to work hard to be great. He’s probably the most dedicated athlete in all of sports. Pure Talent only gets people so far

[mateonextdoor]

still pretty good for his age he just averaged 30 and then averaged 29 this year but he’s pretty good 💀jordan fans are so undermining

[ScottRachelson]

Correction: LeBron is 6'9" and at his heaviest, according to his trainer in Miami, was 270 lbs. LeBron just finished his 20th season at 38 years of age. Only Jordan is better than LeBron. That is an objective fact based on the numbers. LeBron is a superior basketball player to Kobe. That, also, is an objective fact based on the numbers, not fee-fees. If one wants to say Kobe was more attractive when he scored the basket, then okay, fine, but Lebron is the more efficient player.

Here's a great argument I found written by a poster on Quora in response to the question: Why is Kobe Bryant better than LeBron?

Answer:
Uh, yeah.

On just a superficial level, the rings argument doesn’t apply. Kobe won three rings as a second banana to Shaq and two rings as the Alpha. LeBron has won three rings as the Alpha of his teams. So while Kobe has more championships, he has led his team to less, because those first three were Shaq’s teams. Nobody’s arguing that Pippen is better than Kobe because Pippen’s six > Kobe’s five, because Pippen was the #2 for all of those rings. Same with Kobe’s first three.

From a stat point of view the argument gets even worse. LeBron averages more points per game than Kobe (both regular season and playoffs) and does it more efficiently (missing fewer shots). LeBron is also a better passer, rebounder and defender, so that makes Kobe’s argument pretty weak.

But how about their performance in the Finals? Surely, as Kobe is super-clutch, that’s where his dominance will be asserted. Here are some Finals per-game averages

Player A: 25.2 points on 24.7 shooting possessions, 5.6 rebounds, 5.1 assists
Player B: 28.3 points on 25.7 shooting possessions, 9.8 rebounds, 7.7 assists

Pretty obvious who is whom, right? Player B destroys player A on boards and assists, and scores 3.1 points per game more while using only one more shot to do it. Not much of an argument, right?

About about individual Finals performances?

Let’s consider probably Kobe’s best Finals, the 09 series against the Magic where he averaged 32.4 points (on 30.9 shots), 5.6 rebounds and 7.4 assists. Pretty great right?

Compare that with LeBron’s 2012 performance against Oklahoma City, where LeBron averaged 28.6 points (on 25.6 shots) plus 10.2 boards and 7.4 assists. Kind of comparable right? Kobe scored more (though less efficiently) and LeBron averaged almost five more boards per game. I could see a Kobe fan considering the Kobe series as the superior series. What if I told you that the listed LeBron stat line was probably only his fifth best Finals?

How about 2015 against the Warriors when he averaged 35.8 (on 37.6 shots), with 13.3 boards and 8.8 assists. Yeah, it was inefficient, but it’s still more than Kobe’s ever scored per game in the Finals.

How about 2016 against the Warriors when he averaged 29.7 points (on 26.4 shots) with 11.3 boards and 8.9 assists (and 4.9 steals+blocks)?

How about the 2018 Finals against the Warriors when he averaged 34 points (on 27.4 shots - holy heck) with 8.5 boards and 10 assists?

How about the 2017 Finals against the Warriors when he averaged 33.6 points (on 26.7 shots) with 12 boards and 10 assists?

I’m sorry, Kobe’s best Finals performance simply can’t compete with those. Not even close.

But LeBron is a choker, right? What about his 2007 Finals against the Spurs (22 points on 17.6 shots, 7 boards and 6.8 assists). What about his 2011 performance against the Mavericks (17.8 points per game on 18.8 shots, 7.2 boards and 6.8 assists). Neither of those are very impressive lines.

But let’s compare with Kobe’s worst two, his 2000 against the Pacers (15.6 points per game on 19 shots, 4.6 rebounds, 4.2 assists) and his 2004 against the Pistons (22.6 points per game on 24.8 shots, 2.8 rebounds and 4.4 assists).

I don’t know how you can look at those stat lines and think anything other than that LeBron is the better scorer in the Finals (both more points and more efficient) and clearly the better rebounder and passer.

What about Game 7s? Looking at the last five for each player:

Points per game: LeBron 34.4, Kobe 21.6
FG%: LeBron 49.1%, Kobe 37.2%
+/-: LeBron +44, Kobe +1

Not close.

What about buzzer beaters, say, game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final ten seconds of playoff games?

LeBron is 6 of 14 on those shots (43%).
Kobe is 5 of 22 on those shots (23%).

Not an advantage for Kobe there.

But let’s say that you’re not convinced. Let’s say that you still think that Kobe does more than LeBron, but in a way that isn’t covered by points, shots, rebounds and assists.

How about looking at +/-? Plus-minus just compares how good a team is when a player is on the court compared with when they’re off the court. It’s an imperfect but quick and dirty glance at player value in a more subtle way than the box score stats.

Kobe’s Plus-Minus numbers? Only looking at his performance through age 34 (which is good because his last three years are awful), Kobe’s teams are +5.3 (5.3 points above average per game) when he’s on the court and -1.5 when he’s off the court, for a combined plus-minus of +6.8. His best year by this stat was 2009–10 when he put up a +12.4 for the season. Further, he had four different +10 or better seasons (02–03, 05–06, 08–09 and 09–10).

Compare this with LeBron (only through age 34). LeBron’s teams have been +7.0 when he’s on the court and -4.4 when he’s off the court, for a total of +11.4 overall. His best season by this measure is 08–09 when he put up a +21.2 (not a misprint; they outscored opponents by 15 points when he was playing, and were outscored by 6.2 when he was sitting). LeBron has nine different seasons above 10 and six above 15.

Not a close comparison. LeBron’s teams played better with him than Kobe’s did, but were worse without him. Huge gap.

What about the playoffs? You probably already know where this is going . . .

Kobe: +8.3 overall, best year 02–03 at +17.4, four different 10+ playoffs
LeBron: +10.2 overall, best year 16–17 at +30.7, six different years at 20+

What does that leave? “Sure, LeBron scores more points more efficiently. Sure he’s the better rebounder and passer. Sure he’s been much better in the Finals than Kobe. Sure he’s been much better in Game 7s than Kobe. Sure he’s a better clutch shooter than Kobe (at least in the last ten seconds of playoff games). Sure he’s won more Finals as the #1 on his team than Kobe. And sure, LeBron’s teams are better with LeBron than Kobe’s are with Kobe, but LeBron’s teams are worse when LeBron sits than when Kobe’s teams are when Kobe sits (and we’re just looking at what teams outscore or are outscored with the players on the floor, we’re not looking at individual player stats). Sure, all that points clearly to LeBron. But what Kobe has over LeBron is . . .”

What? I’m sorry. There is absolutely nothing coming after that ellipses that should be at all persuasive. The closest you could get is to fill in with “… some media / talking heads act as though Kobe is as good or better than LeBron so it must be true.” That is not a crazy argument. It’s just wrong.

As an overall player, LeBron is better than Kobe in pretty much every way. And there’s really not much ambiguity to the argument.

[mateonextdoor]

he’s been on 3 teams and he’ll fry jordan 💀

[ajthehandle]

u know the goat debate is serious when the comments are like this. Jordan and Lebron are the best

[justinjones]

Drafted at 18 out of high school in 2003 as the most significant prospect in NBA history
6'9"
250 LBS
4x Champion and MVPs
Won every ring in each team he's been on (Cavaliers, Miami, and Lakers)
All-time Scoring Champion
3 Olympic Medals
Has more NBA Finals Appearances than Championships lmao
The first ever active billionaire in NBA History
There's more but I don't feel like typing anymore. You all have Google for a reason lol.

[ScottRachelson]

I've never seen Jordan catch the ball that far behind his head and from the basket and then dunk it with such power and finesse.

[lifebybill]

LeBron has been on only 3
Yes he has natural God given abilities but he works on his game every single is in his 21st season.

[MrKurtykurt]

After 20 seasons, Lebron’s trophy case (based on actual trophies commissioned and given out by the NBA): 4 rings, 4 finals MVPs, 4 regular season MVPs, 3 All-star game MVPs, 1 Rookie of the Year, 1 scoring title = 17 trophies + Awards: 1 assist leader, 6 first team all-defensive = 7 Total: 24

After 13 seasons, MJ’s trophy case: 10 scoring titles, 6 rings, 6 finals MVPs, 5 regular season MVPs, 3 all-star game MVPs, 2 dunk contest championships, 1 Defensive Player of the Year, 1 Rookie of the Year = 34 + Awards: 3 steals leader, 9 first team all-defensive = 12 Total: 46

[Mrmapleleaffan]

Shaq was on six teams and he’s a legend

[davidrele]

Winning with chips with different teams is way harder, that makes him the goat, casuals..

[cojo]

Should react to his sons Bryce and bronny both are great hoopers as well

[LikeLiang]

2003 with Cleveland than free agent went to the heat and after 4 years went home again and went to LA. 20 years later still in the league

[jamorripollard]

Been in the league since 03 and only been on 3 teams and brought them all rings

[Darksyde]

Lebron is coming up on his 21st year in the league. There is a player in the league who was born AFTER lebron joined the NBA and is now a grown ass man playing against him lmao.

[anthonyibarra]

He’s been in the league for I think 30 years

[Walter_Sobchak_]

Give Lebron his flowers while he can still receive them. Humans love to celebrate ppl after they have either died or become incapcitated. It is a weird envious behavior that our species deals with. Lebron is on NBA Mount Rushmore. Only a real hater can disagree.