Loch Kelly on Awakening and Shifting into Freedom

Loch Kelly is a meditation teacher and licensed psychotherapist that teaches awakening through small glimpses many times throughout daily life. He joins us to discuss the nature of suffering, paths to freedom from suffering, and how we can shift into the free and joyous consciousness that's already always here.

Timestamps:

0:00 Intro
2:05 What is suffering?
4:52 Do resistance, contraction, and immersion in thought fit into your understanding of suffering?
8:23 What are the stages of awakening?
18:08 Emptiness
24:12 One taste, vipassana, and approaches to awakening
29:09 Moving from witness consciousness to one taste
36:11 Differences in subtle energy and head oriented people
41:21 Glimpse practices for non-dual awareness
56:40 A map of awakening
1:03:00 The importance of working with parts to stabilize awakening
1:09:10 What is nirvana/enlightenment?
1:14:44 Everything being OK when you're not OK
1:17:40 Loch's overview of the pragmatics of the effortless mindfulness approach
1:22:55 A glimpse: What's here now when there's no problem to solve?
1:36:27 How to continue practicing through the stages of awakening
1:39:44 Are there risks with practicing pointing out instructions?
1:42:03 What is Loch's experience given his years of practice?
1:51:03 Outro

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0:00 Intro
2:05 What is suffering?
4:52 Do resistance, contraction, and immersion in thought fit into your understanding of suffering?
8:23 What are the stages of awakening?
18:08 Emptiness
24:12 One taste, vipassana, and approaches to awakening
29:09 Moving from witness consciousness to one taste
36:11 Differences in subtle energy and head oriented people
41:21 Glimpse practices for non-dual awareness
56:40 A map of awakening
1:03:00 The importance of working with parts to stabilize awakening
1:09:10 What is nirvana/enlightenment?
1:14:44 Everything being OK when you're not OK
1:17:40 Loch's overview of the pragmatics of the effortless mindfulness approach
1:22:55 A glimpse: What's here now when there's no problem to solve?
1:36:27 How to continue practicing through the stages of awakening
1:39:44 Are there risks with practicing pointing out instructions?
1:42:03 What is Loch's given his years of practice?
1:51:03 Outro

[marpeot-Ekim]

One of the most clear conversations with Loch! The way you continue to say : "I didn't get it" - brilliant. It made him explain it more and more

[TK-bfng]

Great interview and questions that brought best of Loch forward. I am so grateful for Loch's meditation app Mindful Glimpses which brings me daily support of access to freedom, love and clarity!

[Netanya-qb]

Mu you are remarkably intelligent and insightful for your age, thanks for giving an oldster some hope for the future.

[nbenda]

great interview and a great way to follow if you relate. I follow Adyashanti, and i think Loch is completely aligned. He has his own way of teaching with this mini glimpses, it's lovely. Thanks!

[levanmelikishvili]

Great interview. It was my first time listening to Loch. What a brilliant person with huge love and wisdom. Actually, both of you were great. I love your honesty. It made Lock elaborate on some more details. Thank you 🙏

[psyfiles]

This was a fantastic interview thank you so much!!

[Jay_Teacher]

Subbed. Your convo with BK was awesome. I’m also Loch fan. He introduced me to NDA. You’re an impressive interviewer ❤

[petrelaskov]

I am happy to see this Lucas.

Based on FLI podcast I am sure that you will provide a much needed clarity and depth to these important topics.

[gantonia]

From my experience, the desire for conceptual understanding is a egoic mechanism of delaying the letting go of the ego. The only path to true understanding is experiential.

[noreenquinn]

Mu whoever you are, I'm very impressed by your interviewing, your seeking truth and your humility. Next time please introduce yourself and background.
Enjoyed listening to Loch.
Also enjoyed your interview with Bernardo Kastrup. Maybe interview Ian Mcgilchrist some time. Keep up the good work.
I believe we are all part of a one. If we are we should be nice to each other as otherwise we destroy ourselves. Listening to these and other truth seeking podcast by young people gives me great hope. We truly are capable of great good and can achieve much if we put our individual minds to the good of the one. Treat others as you would like to be treated I guess.

[valeriamaria]

Congratulations on your initiative! My son also has a podcast, Bolderpod. It is very important that we support these projects. Success!

[OmriC]

What a great channel! And I must compliment you on how freaking sharp you are! Keep up the great work:-)

[babastein]

dude, where are are your other podcasts? you mention to loch that you've been asking your other guests this same question of suffering, but this seems to be your first video. you are an AMAZING interviewer and would love to see more. i dont understand how you only have 100 subscribers. also, how do you get the opportunity to interview these incredible people? thanks.

[JavierBonillaC]

Give me two of whatever he’s drinking please.

[hawkkim]

I have been investigating on this issue of identification and belief. In my conclusion, they are just another happening occuring based on conditioning although there is still some uncertain issues with identification. And oftentimes, non identifying often leads to the stronger sense of "I" just like identifying, because both causes the illusion that I'm the doer. I've been looking for clear teaching on this for several months now but I have found none so far.

[SmartDadLiving]

So sleeping is probably the most awake we can be 😅

[markfuller]

How do you know this isn't just constructing a new identity (narrated sense of existence)? Awakening is real (individuation from the egoic self). But, a lot of these social-media'ized venues(?, monetizing awareness) look egoic (highly defined, labeled, narrated, explained with exceptional precision or repetition). To me, that's what the ego would do. And, it would be the perfect place for the ego to hide ("I'm illustriously awake -- and consumed with defining it, using foreign-language buzzwords to signify I understand it in a way the average person doesn't.").

I mean this seriously. Isn't that a real risk with awakening? In my experience, the ego is pernicious & tenacious. Live as a hermit in a cave? No. Speak at great length on what I've discovered? Yes! Influencer? Yes! Books? Yes! Junkets? Yes! There's some channels (not this one) where this screams at me. They have highly-polished greenscreen backgrounds, edgy click-bait thumbnails, daily rehashing the same topics/buzzwords (for more clicks, more "metrics"). Mastering mindfulness, or mindfulness as a state of existence (against the ego's compulsion to master everything)?

I don't want to be critical. But, mindfulness, awakening, presence, consciousness (and more buzzwords I can't think of right now) don't seem that complicated or necessary to parse so finely. To me, the only part of me that would go down that rabbit hole is the ego. Not the pure self (which exists without all that). There's no "have to" about it. How do you know this isn't just more self-managed performantive (egoic) narration?

[A_S]

why Jenna Ortega is talking about meditation

[psyfiles]

Do you have ways we can do “thanks” donation?