10 Things - The Shining: The Lost Version

[DMichaelAtLarge]

Why in the world would I want a "snappier" cut of "The Shining"? The whole genius of the movie is the slow burn that keeps you on the edge of your seat the whole time.

[patricktilton]

Two things:
1) Having Hallorann be the villain actually goes back to the book. In the novel, Hallorann shows up, only to be bashed in the face by Jack's roque mallet. Then Jack corners Danny, only to be reminded that he hadn't dumped the boiler recently, forcing him to get down to the basement -- but too late to prevent it from exploding. Then Wendy and Danny flee with Hallorann (who is still alive), going to the utility shed to get some gas for the snowmobile -- the didn't have a Sno-Cat in the book -- and the evil spirits of the hotel make the pain Hallorann feels from the roque mallet bashing he'd gotten throb all-the-more, and he ALMOST starts to 'turn' and get violent with Danny . . . yet he snaps out of it, realizing that the same forces that used Jack's alcoholism against him were using Hallorann's PAIN to get HIM to act violently. So, Kubrick was adapting this notion in that earlier draft when he contemplated having Hallorann be -- or, become -- the villain. It's not as if he traveled all the way from Miami just to try to murder the Torrances. It's just that the hotel's haunting presences were in full swing by the time he arrived there, that it affected him so strongly that he couldn't shake it.
2) The scene where Wendy sees the cobwebbed skeletons in the darkened lobby is a direct 'echo' of the final scenes of the movie THE RULING CLASS, which starred Peter O'Toole. I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but the movie's free to watch on YouTube, and every fan of Kubrick's version of THE SHiNiNG owes it to himself to see this other film, which Kubrick purposely 'steals' that shot from. The themes of that earlier film were important to an understanding of the dynamic between guys like Jack Torrance and the 'House' -- i.e. the 'Powers-That-Be' who run the hotel and who reward faithful 'service' provided to them (i.e. the murders committed by Charles Grady and Jack). One might refer to the "others" whom Grady mentions -- just before he lets Jack out of the Pantry -- as the 'ruling class', those spoiled aristocrats who party in the Gold Room, enjoying their afterlives which were won at the expense of the slaughtered Natives whose land had been stolen and desecrated in order for the hotel to exist. "All the best people, " Ullman calls them.

[lisapoole]

I was 9 when it came out. My brother, who was 14 saw it in theaters and replayed it to me scene by scene. Sometime later, I was at a theater seeing something else and snuck into the theater where the Shining was playing- just for a minute. It was the red bathroom scene. I'll never forget it. Funny thing is my mom let me see the Exorcist, but I didn't get to see the Shining until a few years later.

[tempolost]

Loving the lost version stuff you've been giving us.. Thanks Minty

[saulobonilla]

Such a rare glimpse watching Horace Derwent and the Bear Man reading the script! 18:55

[jl]

One of my favorite horror movies of all time! Some of the items in the original version could have been left in. However, the original ending of making Halloran a "bad guy" was awful and I'm glad that was changed.

[johndough]

Thing is... Jack is so Scary on his own... that no other, could have possibly Upstaged him. Hence, leaving him as the "Bad Guy". In fact, they probably removed most of the physical abuses... merely because they were not needed. Jacks facial expressions, and way of speaking.. was more than enough to terrify. It also makes sense, that the wife, wouldnt dare stand up to him, like the first script depicts.

[wstine]

"All work and no 'Ten Things' lists make Minty a dull boy."

[RobinMarks]

Room 237 is not the only Room 237 in film. Alfred Hitchcock's film Torn Curtain, has Dr. Michael Armstrong, (Paul Newman) onboard a ship called the Meteor in Room 237. The movie is a spy thriller about rockets and nukes. It's about the Cold War.

[choriajackson]

Hey, Minty.. Good morning from American... Happy Turkey Day!!!love the Shining..💯❣️🦃👁️🔥

[jamescarr]

Since it's Thanksgiving in the States, I'm gonna say "I'm thankful for Minty, & his badass channel & uploads". Seen 'em all. Love 'em all.
PS, Kubrick's 'Shining' is iconic.

[LokiDWolf]

So glad I came up with the longer version. Like The Exorcist, Director's Cut, it's the delay in the insanity that when things go crazy it's even sweeter! We've gotten to know the characters intimately. We have more questions hoping to get answers. We are anxious and tense. The original with all content was great.

Also, I'm glad that the different endings and antagonists were changed like in the original script. I agree that it makes no sense to come to Danny's aid then be a murderer. Anyhoo, thanks for this video. Great walk down memory lane. <3

[zeb]

To me, the 1980 Kubrik version is perfection. The one with Rebecca Demornay is woeful.

[Darkuni]

The "drag" in the US cut - I think - was intentional. As you say, you have more time. But that builds the dread. Seeing "day to day" things makes it more "real" to me. Pacing isn't just about making things SHORTER IMHO. Sometimes the drag is part of the experience. All that said? Great work as always Minty.

[catoblepag]

I feel that the sudden cut to the indian mask on the wall would've haunted my nightmares for years - much more than the twins. It's exactly the kind of stuff that creeps me out.

[mattdiehl]

Actually in the book Halloran isnt evil but gets somewhat possesed by the hotel and thinks about killing Danny.

[rbix]

I really appreciate you doing these. You're so awesome!!!

[akashik]

Awesome breakdown of the Lost Version! It is a real look into the genius of Stanley Kubrick and his creative process. This one of my favorite movies and you brought up points I never knew about - thank you for the work and time to tell us all about it.
I agree - Holoran as the bad guy was a terrible idea. The ending that was cut and permanently removed is recreated in Doctor Sleep and I wish Kubrick left it in the original. Again great video - many thanks!

[Vaporvice]

I first saw this when I was around 14. Seen it probably a hundred times. One of my favorite and one of the best horror movies ever. It was the longer cut. I only recently saw the shorter, 2 hour version. It felt like I was watching a heavily edited tv broadcast version from the 70's and 80's lol.

[barrydaugherty]

19:27 What is this from? It looks like documentary footage but seems too new. So I assume it’s a recreation/montage but from where? Thanks! I’ve been enjoying your videos. Keep it up!