Plato vs Aristotle - Who is right 🤔

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[ryanmoore]

I love Aristotle . He says prisons are pointless the reason for bad people is because the teachers are teaching them wrong morals and values and if they had a better leader they would be better people. Totally genius

[nishantsawale]

Unfortunately in India philosophy doesn’t create enough jobs so government closed the academics and said your business not worthy enough to being good man if you can’t afford life which you are born in. However being father of 4 year boy I will teach my son aristotle hoping that he will wise person in ruthless world.

[BQNKERZ]

lots of people smarter than me but ive began to realise in my life that debating and asking questions is very important and healthy, i think its insane im saying this in 2023 yet majority of people i meet take offence to questions and my or anyones elses opinions that challenge there own, in my experiences even if im 100% research backed certain they will still take offence and disregard you because of the small minded social repercussions in there head of accepting their wrong however petty it may be, im not a petty person and in fact id really like to make clear and understand it isnt from superiority complex but to actually teach and togethor we become more intelligent and there is excellent feeling from sharing knowledge and educating being educated and learning something intimatly

But a phrase always comes back in my head and i truly understand it now a younger me stuggled

Dont argue with stupid people becauae no one will know the difference

Ive deferred my own translation from that quote and its fuck em why do i care sad the world ive had to live in and i dont care what people think anyway but no matter how much i say it or anyone else we all do care about what other think to some extend whether we want to accept it or not ❤ sorry i done ****

[danh]

Philosophy just describes the thing. But it isn’t the thing itself.

[selfmaderish]

Two guys who threw around suggestions 😂 years later: smartest beings of all time.

[DavidCraig-gozv]

I thought Plato was colored clay that comes in containers for kids.

[teetoo]

Very interesting.How does Socrates fit in with these 2 philosophers?Just learning philosophy.

[riceboybebop]

What came first the chicken or the form of the chicken

[devinreese]

These guys lived at the beginning of the timeline of when Human perception was starting to be questioned, as an absolute validity. Of course none of our speculations on what exists beyond our perception is demonstrable. Plato first, along with other philosophers cooked up an idea and belief to explain things, and Aristotle merely broke with him only to the extent he modified it. Both of them have a similar theory.

[Jeem]

Aristotle, clearly. Plato continued the Pythagorean and Socratic idea of the eternal-by-nature soul, which led into Plotinus' insanity about returning to The One. These are some of the worst ideas to ever influence the West. Aristotle was more a materialist, who believed man was a composite of body & soul, not a soul trapped in a fleshly prison or clay cell.

[aliensdidit]

The form originates in the active intellect for Aristotle

[LunnaJannah]

Why doesn’t he share Plato’s Beliefs? It’s probably easier to understand if u know!
He’s literally describing the three types of humans of hermetic texts.
Hermes trismegistus.
Read or listen to all 17 chapters and study it’…
Why would u not speak of the all and not give praise. Plato’s was a believer and a true soul of the all. The eternal ancestor

[KatyWantsToGo]

Plato makes sense to me, Aristotle doesn’t…

[Dino_Medici]

You should put episode link in comments were lazy af

[devinreese]

Galactic motions follow the forms of chaos math, and many other things seem to at least follow non linear chaos math forms---Does this mean there is a metaphysical reality? =????

[devinreese]

Plato is great in writing rhetoric and dialectic however his beliefs must be taken with a grain of salt. as should aristotles' as well. the slight on painters and poets is something that has always made me in an uproar.

[NoOne-kyer]

If statue of 5 person were presented to you, how much would you be say about them? Nothing.
Then what is "Form comes from you" argument even supposed to mean?
Form is just form, a better form is helpful but that's about it. Form doesn't even remotely describe the person.
Might even give false perception of people as well, if we were to seek some pattern.

[RFLEEZYUBZ]

Not big on Aristotle and I’m a Platonist

[Son_of_zeus]

I disagree with Aristotle on this one, if I paint a picture of a chair I am still pretty far away from the whole or bigger truth, the form of the chair did not come first as we all know it comes from a tree. the painting of the chair grasps a fragment of the truth of what the chair is, but not the entirety. even the chair itself is a fragment of truth or form of what a tree us and so on so forth. if you believe in the gods or god, man is an image of the divine, or a fragment of the bigger truth. if you believe in science, then we are but a reflection of molecules put together in a certain way, even if you paint a man, or anything for that matter. it will always be a form or fragment of something else. however, I would say, even though you are far away from the bigger truth, painting a picture of it puts you closer to it, because even though it's a imitation of sorts, it is still based on a actual level of truth simply limited by our finite minds.

[AlexAlex-lxwb]

Plato was the Best!
Aristotle hit him like a Little horse!