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[vaxrvaxr]

That's why you should be extra careful when picking your dependencies, and ideally build in some abstractions that let you swap them easily.

[franko]

You know it’s bad when even the founder is like “nah, this is no good”.

[AFuller]

Haha, that’s why I keep pumping out front ends in PHp, everyone laughs but my sites keep chugging along.

[dvdragon]

I love good objective information on the positives and the negatives on different options. Thanks.

[JabariHunt]

If a developer isn't specifying an exact version in their package manager, and is not commiting a lock file in their repo (hence, not specifying versions for deployments), then the ensuing onslaught of instability is well deserved. That holds true of NPM, Composer, or any other package manager. Blaming a platform for developer mistakes is, dare I say, a lesser version of reality.

[Behold-the-Florist]

This hasn't happened to any of my apps in 5 years. If you are worried about this then I just wouldn't touch code at all and try a different career path.

[jggabayno]

For me, it is much better to create custom packages similar to those available on npm, such as packages for validation, error handling, and more.

[techietenka]

I was a huge Node fan back then (after running from PHP of course). Right now that ecosystem is too chaotic, I'd pick PHP over Node.

[danielroth]

Doesn't any ecosystem that provides 3rd party packages have the same problem? NuGet?

[nvictorme]

That has nothing to do with Node as a technology. Same thing has happened with PHP and Java since forever.

[saturnteatree]

Doest this happen with most updates, version control is supposed to handle this im confused… does nodejs update itself in your app 🤔

[azarak]

Didn't work with nodejs in some time but don't you have option to use specific version of a package and not have it updated?

[nightshade]

I think you can vendor your modules by commiting node_module, using 'npm ci', 'npm shrinkwrap'. Though your mileage may vary and it's not ideal

[echuderewicz]

Just roll back the change maybe. I don't know.

[myztazynizta]

Theres too many fucking packages. There was a package that did. Simple thing and i thought it was not too risky to use it, but it relied on a package that only split strings by commas. Why would it choose to rely on a whole other package for that!!! So that package disappeared or something and now the package i was using doesn't install and it was never fixed. I had to go in and fix it myself in the 3 places it was using that basic ass string split function.

I think the source of the problem is no different from the reason why I get invited to 40 empty ass discords every hour of every day. People want clout. They want their name on something everyone else is using.

[cryptocsguy]

What did the founder of NodeJS move onto afterwards ?

[ArbitraryZer]

Yeah this is the worst thing about npm no doubt. Using Node Version Manager to get around it helps

[misterfister]

This dude does not even know how node & npm work haha, if someone updates a dependency that does not break anything in nodejs apps. you would need to install the new version by hand and test locally before deploying.

[Jam-htky]

Well, shit doesn't work like that XD. Educate yourself before spreading your knowledge