WHAT?! Wing Chun Defeats MMA? Let's Watch (MMA vs Ving Tsun)

German branch of Swiss Ving Tsun takes on standard MMA. This is an amazing match from Fightclub League. Let's see what works in this match and what the MMA guy did poorly to counter our Wing Chun guy's centerline attacks. To anyone who knows Fightclub League, please encourage them to keep putting on these events! We really like featuring these style vs style matches.

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Timecodes:
0:00 Round 1 commentary
3:16 Round 2 commentary
6:10 When MMA guy could have won

[texasgreentea]

As a Wing Chun guy, I don't mind saying that we tend to have no ground game. If this MMA guy had any ground game, it would have been over on the first takedown. That said, MMA guy didn't have much boxing technique. Wing Chun guy has decently trained hands (despite being too low) and good ambidexterity, but like most of us, he's got no angles. Didn't matter this time, but it usually will.

[luissoriano]

When a guy from MMA sucks everybody it's like "it's not a real MMA practicioner"
But when a Wing Chun practicioner sucks it's clearly a Wing Chun practicioner.

[KevinHuangPhasorQuantaG]

Interesting that the WC guy stuck to WC and didn't throw in boxing punches or karate/TKD kicks (not that I'm against mixing styles) and still won. I think this is a good representation of how fairly-competent WC fighting would look like against a similarly-skilled MMA fighter.

[AceeSoul]

The Wing Chun guy has definitely sparred

[stephanwatson]

There's actually a lot of useful and effective stuff in wing chun and other kung fu styles; you just have to be able to strike, grapple and wrestle to apply these martial arts

[talkativewitht]

As a Wing Chun practitioner, I can say without a doubt that this is the best video I have seen on the internet where Wing Chun is applied in a real fight. I would love to see more Wing Chun practitioners coming out and testing their skills. It's an amazing art and really looked down upon because of fake so called masters and practitioners. Thanks for the awesome content.

[theblackswordsman]

The paring of skill levels made this an enjoyable fight to watch. Praise/Credit is due for the management that set it up.

[hoaxialcable]

"Wing Chun saved me many times inside and outside the octagon" (Anderson "Spider" Silva)

[Sovvolf]

Well you've seen my fight and know I also incorporate a lot of CMA and Wing Chun into my MMA fighting style too. So my thoughts are pretty clear, there's plenty there that works so long as you actually pressure test it, spar with it and train it realistically. It can frustrate someone who isn't used to fighting that way. Though I think the biggest weakness of the MMA guy here was that he lost his composure very early and then started using desperation attacks which in turn depleted his stamina. At that point he was just putty. His heads probably spinning and he's just trying to hang on (He's also crossing his stance a lot, which is a beginners mistake, though with him being rocked he could have just regressed to that).

Composure and patience are very key to fights man. Don't always try to go for the first round finish. Don't lose it at the first sign that it's not going your way. Just relax, breath and try to patiently find those openings. Also, when and where with the hooks guys. Hooks are short range weapons. If the other guy has decent straights and knows what he's doing (and the Wing Chun guy did) then he's going to beat you to the punch against that hook.

Really impressed with that Wing Chun lad. He did everything right. He kept his patience, read his opponent, stayed composed and ultimately out striked the fellow. More of this people. An absolute pleasure to see people making those CMA's work and proving that with the right mind set you can be lethal with that stuff.

[rohitchaoji]

I think a lot of people tend to automaticaly assume that if someone trains MMA, they'll do well in any fight, and the converse for people who train in a more "traditional" martial art. But in my experience of training with people of different skill level, athleticism, and fighting instinct, I know that this is very very variable and depends more on the individual and the kind of work they put in.

[redrenegade]

For the MMA guy. Having his hooks get blocked and then take 2-3 punches back immediately by the WC guy, even if he defends them well, has to be demoralizing when it happens over and over.

[katze]

I am practitioner in WC, Krav, Bang MT, mantis, and Hung Gar. I will comment from both WC and MMA perspective. MMA guy did not have good ground game and his stand up game did not have fluid combo that change sides which would have caused issues for WC guy.
WC guy maintained good distance management that allowed him to connect and execute WC attacks. For WC folks, he had Chim Kiu distance. That’s how my WC dojo train in sparring. WC guy leg frame to kick out of armbar was brilliant. Never seen that before. At 430 when WC guy had MMA guy head down, he missed Chim Kiu head control takedown opportunity to finish. But that was Monday QB observation

[DeathxThexKid]

Good golly did the "mma" guy sucked.

His takedowns (while they don't need to look beautiful) looked like garbage.

He needs a crash course on side control, and that he needs to be told it's okay to strike in side control to get your armbar.

[justinvillar]

Wing Chun people: Atlast, the chosen one is born, our light and our hope..

Xu Xiaodong: (Waiting for a wingchun and taichi folks that can beat him and his MMA)

[kevinlobos]

Well the wing chun dude surely has sparred, his technique/gameplan doesn't fall apart at the first punch taken to the face, and he pressed forward as you are taught in wing chun, he did quite well too in the clinch. That being said, he pretty much had only 1 thing in his arsenal: chain punching and front kicks. The fact that the mma guy couldn't adjust to it and counter appropriately to this very simple tactic... well doesn't look good on him. Props to the wing chun fella for testing himself and actually pressure test, he came in way more prepared for a fight than most wing chun guys we have seen in the channel, but to be honest, his oponent was pretty damn bad. Super telegraphed punching, haymakers and bad grappling.
But hey fair is fair, often times is the other way around, but his is a rare case of a combat sport representative being worse than a very traditional and by the book martial artist. The mma guy still deserves respect for putting himself out there as all fighters do.

[AndrewLinArchives]

I actually see a lot of what the WC guy does in our training. Pretty cool to see wing chun adapted for a ringfighting context without just looking more or less like kickboxing

[shadowfighter]

It's been a while since I last watched any of your videos, but I'm back to watch this one.
Wing Chun guy did awesome.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[Skiamakhos]

A fauxhawk is when you don't shave the sides but spike the middle up. This is a cropped mohawk: the sides are shaved. This is the kind of mohawk the US Marines used to give themselves when they were going into battle in WW2. Cool stuff.

[flamezombie]

Low blocks are great against wrist control, I use them all the time in wrestling!

They work great in light karate sparring at blocking kicks at least, so it makes sense that they're good against weaker kicks.

[rylie]

I feel like mma guy was pretty flaily at times. And I hate to say that, because I dislike how people will always say "well it's only because the mma fighter sucked!" whenever a tma fighter wins regardless of whether that's why they won, and I do think people underestimate the usefulness of Ving Tsun/Wing Chung/other tmas, but in this case I do think mma guy's perhaps lower skill level was a factor.