2 UNDENIABLE PROOFS OF A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE! #reformedtheology #rapture #blackhebrews

[justinflores]

this is good text in favor of a pre-wrath rapture, not a pre-trib rapture.

[JoshuaCussins]

The tribulation and the wrath are not the same and this is what gets most people mixed up. The tribulation is what the world (men) does to us, the wrath of God is what God does to the world (men).
We as believers will not be saved from the great tribulation but we will be saved from the wrath of God.

[nodice]

No friend. Tribulation is wrath, but it's not God's wrath. The Tribulation is Satan's wrath. The wrath that we are NOT appointed to is God's wrath. That's Romans 5:9

[cynthiaa]

We are rescued from wrath just after the tribulation.

[brianflanagan]

Very well said! What also goes with this is revelation 7:14 “and I said unto him, Sir thou knowest. And he said to me, these are they that came from the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” This was said before the 7 trumpets

[AlphaOmega-nu]

Jesus is our blessed hope. We hope in Jesus.

My fellow truth-seekers will take the time to read this comment. Whoever the Holy Spirit leads will read.

There is no pretribulation rapture. Pretribulation is a man-made doctrine, and is the devil's gospel.

Tribulation is the devil's governing oppression over all those in the world who follow Christ. We are in the world, but not of the world.
John 16:33, KJV "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me(Christ) ye might have peace. In the world ye shall *have tribulation*: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

Tribulation means: distress or suffering resulting from *oppression* or persecution, a trying experience, tribulation means trial.*
*Dying to self is dying to what you want= self sacrifice=tribulation*. Doing what Christ wants instead of what you want is worshiping God. Doing what the beast wants is worshipping the beast. To worship the beast, is to worship satan. Surrender is worship. You cannot surrender to Christ and the beast, it is equal to whoremongering. Again, surrender is worship. Surrendering to the beast is technically worshiping satan. It is serious.
Of course if you are going with the flow, going along to get along, you will not experience tribulations.

Acts 14:22 KJV
"Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through *much tribulation* enter into the kingdom of God."
Then said Jesus unto his disciples,  "*If any man will come after me, let him *DENY HIMSELF, and TAKE UP HIS CROSS, * and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.*" Matthew 16:24-26 KJV

*Tribulation started in Genesis when Adam forfeited his governance over the world, when he obeyed satan instead of God. Satan instead of man(Adam) has been the governing power over the world's ruling kingdoms( empires) ever since. (Read Genesis, KJV). Let's learn the beasts:

Satan rules in the kingdoms of this World.
The kingdoms of the world( the empires) are referred to as beasts, because they are kingdoms without the true God( They are antichrists ). Satan( *The dragon*) is the one who *gives the beasts their power*. Read the Book of Daniel. Read Revelation to understand the end as it relates to the beginning in Genesis.

Matthew 4:8, KJV "Again, the devil( satan) taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; [9] And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."

Luke 4:5-8, KJV. "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this *power* will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Do you see? The devil lies: the power was not given to him freely by God.
God freely gave Adam(man) dominion over the earth, but Adam through his disobedience loses it to satan, when he *chose* to put faith in the devil rather than God.
*Satan( previously known as Lucifer) will continue to rule, though his total ruling power has been forfeited by the sacrificial blood of Christ, and the resurrection of Christ. Satan no longer has power over all souls unless you willingly give satan your soul. But what does it profit you to gain the world, but lose your soul to satan?

Satan and his followers are hellbound. Satan no longer has the key over hell, death and the grave. He cannot hold captive of the souls that belong to Christ.
Christ's Sacrificial Blood forfeited all of satan's powers obtained through his deception of man & woman in the Garden of Eden.
Revelation 1:17-18, King James Version(KJV)
 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
Revelation 3:7, KJV "To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of the One who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What He opens no one can shut, and what He shuts no one can open."

On The Day of Christ: All who are Christ's and are dead will be resurrected, and those in Christ who are still alive until Christ returns will be transformed from mortality to immortality, and rise to the Spiritual( incorruptible bodies)of eternal life and peace, free from suffering, war, and pain. There are no tears, and no need for money in Christ's coming Kingdom, no rich vs poor, no pale skin vs dark skin, no upper-class vs lower-class, no aristocrats vs. peasants, etc. There are no narcissists in Christ's Kingdom. For we are all one in Christ Jesus, and there is no evil, or sin there.
Amen!!!

The return of Christ: The Day of The Lord, is not a quiet rapture event.
*Pretribulation? or After Tribulation?
Let God answer the question:*

It is written in Matthew 24: 29 -31, KJV.*
"*Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days* *shall the SUN BE DARKENED, and the MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, and the STARS SHALL FALL FROM HEAVEN, and the POWERS OF THE HEAVENS SHALL BE SHAKEN:* *And THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY.*
*"And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER.*"

*The Rapture*:
"*And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER*."
1 Thessalonians 4:17 King James Version
"*Then we which are ALIVE and REMAIN shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.*"

Christ has the ultimate power over all.
Sin and satan's worldly kingdoms are coming to an end.

The new Earth which is called The New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven, and only the meek( All those who belong to Christ) will inherit this Earth. Christ shall be our King, and we shall be His people forever. Christ's Kingdom and the His inheritance of the throne of David will be from everlasting to everlasting. Then you will see true Peace, with the The Prince of Peace who is Christ Jesus.

So, do you think that satan is the head of some churches, even some so- called Christian churches? He sure is. And he also preaches from pulpits not physically, but through his many false prophets.

No Holy Spirit filled pastor can say that the beast is not yet, because the beast once was, and is, and is coming, and is heading to perdition. The beast is already here. The root of the matter is satan. When the celestial ( satan) entered the body of Judas Ischariot ( the terrestial), Christ referred to Judas as son of perdition. The final world leader is also referred to as son of perdition, as the devil will possess his body. You see, the root of the matter is the devil, also referred to as the son of perdition.

Please people, wake up from gospels of lies.

[phoenixgamer]

As others have pointed out, pretrib rapture is a lie. Tribulation is NOT God's wrath. Tribulation is what the WORLD does to believers, while God's wrath is reserved for the unbelievers. The church is raptured at the end of the 7 year great tribulation period. THEN, God's wrath follows AFTER this.

[jannibc]

Brother, may YHWH bless you. Your Bible clearly shows you are diligently studying His Word. That is encouragement for all of us. You are showing yourself approved and He will reward your effort. HalleluYAH.

[ssteiger]

If you are sealed by God, you are safe from all wrath. Revelation 9:4

[garrydalton]

You're mixing up tribulation and wrath. We will go through tribulation but not wrath.

[regbrogdon]

The Devils wrath is the tribulation period, that’s his short time. The wrath of God is to tear down the kingdom of Satan once and for all

[ryangallmeier]

1 Thes. 4:13-18. Just READ the text!
The 2nd Advent, Resurrection of the Saints, and the Rapture are all (3) the SAME EVENT.
They are NOT two, temporally separate ones.

[jlbrownk]

In Matt. 24:36, specifically regarding "the day or hour, " we should carefully view the text at face value, and accept its message, which could NOT have been talking about His 2nd Coming; no way. Anyone alive, during the Tribulation period, trying to anticipate when Christ would return (His 2nd coming), will only have to open a Bible, turn to Daniel, and read the number of days given. His return will be 2520 days from the date the 7 year covenant is signed. Or, it will be 1260 days from the abomination of desolation. During the Tribulation, anyone should be able to calculate the exact day of Jesus return (His 2nd coming), and perhaps even the hour as well. But prior to the Tribulation, the day and hour of the Rapture will occur without a specific sign or warning, unlike the 2nd coming. He also described the rapture as lightning that flashes from the east to the west, like a thief in the night. Again, His 2nd coming will not be like lightning or a thief in the night; remember all the fanfare of the moon turning to blood, etc. Neither does the day or hour refer to some who are supposedly taken away and judged, because that won't happen for 7 years, at the judgment of the sheep and goats. Generally, not many (if any) will be judged at the very beginning of the Tribulation. Jesus said, just as in the days of Noah, etc. and some say Jesus said this because they think it parallels the way people were taken away in Noah's flood. But this is not a proper understanding of Jesus use of the flood as an example. The example of Noah's flood emphasizes the sudden surprise of the flood; and likewise, people did not know the day or hour. Also, It is not sound interpreting practice to try and draw more than 1 point of comparison from any analogy.

[StokesMusicStudiosOnline]

Are wrath and tribulation the same? I guess that's one question.

[aalewisiii]

According to Revelation 6:17 God’s wrath starts after the 6th seal when the sun and moon are darkened, just like Matthew 25:29. Also Revelation 7:9 is where you see the rapture.

The great tribulation is what the Devil does, and wrath is what God does through the 7 trumpets and 7 vials.

[rufusthenaturalman]

NO pre trib rapture. Many of these teachers sincerely hold false beliefs. Now, here is what you need to do. Return to the Lord by repent, read and keep His commands he gave to Moses. Read Malachi 4; it is what God is commanding us to do during these end times. Further evidence is the letters to the churches in Rev. 2 & 3. Believe in Yeshua, and keep His commandments. Remember Yeshua is the Creator in Genesis so he is the Lord of the Sabbath; keep it as a sign that you are in Covenant with him. Read Isaiah 56. All those who have an ear to hear will seek what it means.

[NSWvet]

This is so vague. Not proof. Out of wrath doesn't mean we won't be here. The Jews were delivered from the wrath but lived through the plagues. This happens many times in the Bible. His people live through it, but are protected.

[ILTSC]

1Cor 15:51, 52 Indicates that there will be a resurrection and a rapture at the last trumpet.
Paul uses the word "we" indicating that resurrection and rapture will be that which he and the Corinthians would partake.
The last trumpet in Revelation is the 7th trumpet of Rev 11:15, which is post-trib.

[ENDofREGULATION]

Modern "western" Christians are the softest Christians of all time. Most of us have not a scratch of persecution.

Why didn't he "rescue" Paul, Peter, James? Why were tens of thousands of Saints martyred throughout history.

We are promised persecution...even potential death! Yet, many of you see yourself being rescued from what he promised!

Gods wrath, and tribulation are two different things

[Gazman]

The wrath of God yes is refered to as at the end of great Trbulaton. It also is used in terms of His Wrath, that is the eternal death, His eternal judgement. We are rescued from this outcome by Jesus.